Didn't you say on the wigan board that Luke Walsh was a Journeyman ? but then Matty smith isn't just average?
For the record i don't think Matty is just average but you can't say that someone who was voted as one of the best palyers in the nrl is average but also claim Matty smith is awesome!

Wigan fans really are like the the lego men in the movie "everything is awesome!"

Going back to the OP.
Green, Dudson, James & Taylor have left Wigan.
A fee was received for Taylor the rest were OOC.
Of those arriving Patrick is on loan, Tautai was OOC, Greenwood returns from a loan at London and Mossop was released by the Eels and signed for Wigan.
Not all that much buying and selling really!

No one has misread or taken any of your comments out of context. You have completely slagged off quite a few of our team. Then you say there isn't much between the two teams. Well your players must be pretty awful as well then, or your trying to dig yourself out of a pretty big hole.
Wigan fans are the same as fans of any club in any sport. You big up your own players. Your certainly not shy of doing it yourself. Let's see how that TURKEY Tomkins goes this year shall we!
As for leaving themselves open to ridicule, I suggest anyone wanting a good laugh read your posts on this thread.

Taken out of context. If you'd care to read the thread, someone made the comment that the NRL and Super League were of a similar standard. i used the example of Luke Walsh to illustrate that in the NRL he didn't get near to rep standard (and listed all the half backs NSW had used in his time) and yet he is the best half back in Super League. I used the term 'journeyman' in NRL terms. Then someone pointed out that he came 7th in the Dally M one year, so I agreed that i was over egging it a bit.

Matty is a limited player who has improved no end at Wigan. He does his job well, so much so that he is the current England scrum half. They were very close to beating both NZ and Aus with him in the team, so he wasn't a disaster in the job. The England team looks the strongest we've had for over a decade.

I'm happy to discuss these things with you, but I'm not really interested in name calling. I'm not stupid and neither are you, so let's not bring this down to the level of "You said..." without at least trying understand the point being made. I'm sure you are capable of nuanced discussion.

Just to emphasize for those who are not - Luke Walsh is the best half back in Super League. In the NRL he was not in the top half dozen (except for one year) and came nowhere near to representing NSW or Australia. So if I say he is the best in Super League - then ergo - he is better than Matty Smith.

I think there's a good argument to suggest Walsh was the NRL equivalent of Matty Smith. A good scrum half with all the necessary skills to do a good job for his club. Being at Penrith probably won't have helped him challenge for rep hours as they tend to struggle. All of a sudden, buying NRL clubs have realised that quality half backs are thin on the ground, Penrith were going well and there was a bit of a kerfuffle from a couple of clubs trying to hijack the contract he's signed with Saints.
In SL, he's playing for a top club and probably finds things a tad easier. That's potentially why he's standing out more than when he was at PEnrith.

Matty Smith is no world beater, but good scrum halfs are few and far between and while he may be limited, he's pretty consistent, unlike some "superstar" halfs that go into hiding 50% of big matches. He's not a player to be sniffed at.

It doesn't matter. I haven't said it does. What I said was that you're putting a lot of hope in them. I've already said I like Tautai. Patrick I've said is an impact player who may not have the same impact against good sides. Mossop isn't in the same universe as Amor or Walmsley. He wouldn't offer anywhere near the impact of Masoe and I wouldn't swap him for any of our young props, Thompson, Richards, Savelio etc.



Average gain similar to an Amor that wasn't fit for more than half a season. To those with a clue, he was still nowhere near fitness when he came back as well. Crosby isn't fit to be mentioned in the same breath as Amor. Greenwood I haven't even mentioned (???), however I think he looks a talent. Your comparison is pretty fruitless. Greenwood was a frontline prop at London, Thompson and Richards were 4th/5th option, Thompson in particular playing as a third prop when on the field. If you can't see the ability in Thompson, then there's no helping you. What's even more pleasing is that they were both fantastic in the biggest game of the season. Temperament is something that is difficult to coach; they both look like they've got it. Crosby, on the biggest stage, well.....got battered and offered nothing,

I love the smell of quotes in the morning.

Since we're all so concerned with things 'biting us on the ' at the end of the season, I've just done some interesting reading on Wiganer's thoughts on us prior to the season just gone.

This isn't 2006, Saints are now an afterthought.

Wigan's spine is 'head and shoulders' above Saints' (that would be the spine that lost to Makinson at 1, Turner at 7, Flanagan at 6 and Roby at 9 I take it )

McIlorum is now a much better hooker than James Roby !!!!! I can't believe somebody actually wrote this down.

Matty Bowen one of the top five full backs on earth ! Oh, I couldn't breathe for laughing at this one.


Like I said previous, they're all ing crackpots.