I don't think it is the youth who are the problem in our team!

I've been banging on about youth for ages. We can't just rely on young lads, we need quality players in with them for their sake and our own sake.

When some posters was saying we don't need to sign players as we've got players in our youth to replace them. So where is tyrer, Gaskell, Eastmond, ashurst, Dixon, emmitt, Hargreaves, Ellis, Moore etc now?

We took a gamble on Gaskell and Eastmond and that's 80% the mess we are in now.

Eastmond was the real loss but even if he had stayed I suspect we would have needed a more steady Dobson type of player to partner him long term

The Eastmond Saga was the greatest dissapointment for McManus compounded by the long term injury fiasco of Pyrce and Wheeler.

he could and should have dealt with the Eastmond situation better. No team should allow the contract of a player you have decided is the strategic long term answer to a position to run down to 1 year or less , we should have told him to sign or we sell him , simples. Cant do much about injuries

Lance Hohaia in my eyes is a Fullback. He won a World Cup at Fullback and has competed against the best at Fullback. It is sad to see St Helens not as strong as you once were but we have been there before. It can only get better and you have some great youngsters in Percival, Greenwood and Swift etc but you have unearthed a real gem in Walmsley.......wish we had him!!

He actually signed a one year deal as a contract extension which was crazy if he was our long term solution to replace longy.

Don,t know if anyone can confirm this, but didn,t "Chariots of Fire" get into Eastmonds head to get him to start a career in Union. Result was the delay in announcing his decision, head said Union Money, Heart said League.

Offiah was his agent at the time.

I don't think Offiah was his agent at the time. Saints matched Unions offer but the attraction of national fame plus Saints fans on his back took him towards union. If it was for money though you can't blame him.

Did he go with Phil clarkes brother ?

Eastmond was defo with offiah but seem to recall him Clarke being invoked in someone going to union.

We have the stem of a good young team, Roby, Lomax, Makinson, Percival, Soliola, Walmsley etc.. What is letting us down is Mcmanus and his recruitment policy. Its been absolute dire for 5 years now and its finally catching up on us.

No idea but if he did I hate Phil Clarke evenmore!

I know he was with him at one point but Offiah denied it was his fault he went to union on Twitter.

Aslo heard today that LMS despite being dreadfull for us this year and most of last and despite him not being a prop as signed a new 3 year deal but guess what ? It's also on an improved contract! You just cannot make this stuff up.

In fairness I think Offiah was his agent when he signed the 1-year extension, and I think he advised him to stay at Saints. The following year he had a different agent, but I'm not sure who.