I agree, to a certain extent.
Firstly, may I point out that I attended my first Saints games in the late 80's, so there is certainly no glory hunting with me!

I am not sure I would use the term glory hunter for what you are describing. I agree though that the expectations of some fans is perhaps a bit misguided, in that they demand success and cannot accept that you cant win everything, every season. Also, the reaction to the defeat against Wigan was completely ridiculous by some people. The amount of negativity that was spouted was laughable, given that only a fortnight earlier the same people were creaming themselves over the win against Leeds.

As for Saddened, I am slowly realising that most of his posts are an attempt at getting a reaction, as I dont believe anybody could have such a depressing outlook on his/her own team. You are spot on about what you have said with regards to the game at DW earlier in the season. I felt nothing but pride in our performance that day. To criticise us for that is simply idiotic.

Get a room you two, you've made me have sick in my mouth.

Why? Somebody needs to add some light to the doom and gloom you constantly fill the place with.

You take Saddened! too seriously. He doesn't fill the place with doom and gloom. He's a good laugh.

You know things are bad when Saddened post sound quite reasonable. I do not care if it is defense or defence as long as they bloody do it.

We need to play a larger team this week as we were really outsized last week. Flannery in the backline is a disaster waiting to happen due to his static defense. I still have sleepless nights thinking about his performance in the Grand Final last year. At least having him in the backs means he will not lose much in the pack. Give Tom Armstrong a game at centre, he deserves a chance.

Doom and gloom? Look at my profile pic, I'm a smile in a sea of miserable frowns.

The long term future of the club looks bright. We've got a lovely new stadium being built, we've got a squad full of primary school age players who will keep us 'solid' for a good few years and we've got a decent set of senior players. We're not far away from winning trophies, one or two good seasons of recruitment would be all it takes.

However, we are not in the running this season. The squad, even when fully fit, is too small and we're not as good as the top 3. The injuries and playing at Widnes haven't helped, but we're not in a false position in the league. Yet when I state the truth that we'll lose to Warrington, you say I'm being negative? This season we'll finish 4th-6th depending on how we react to another defeat to a rival. Leeds have such an easy run in that we could well drop into a battle with Catalans for 5th. From there, given how we can't seem to beat the top sides it's game over for this season. Next season doesn't look any better, with so many question marks over potential departures and us already being at the quota limits. We could end up with a huge chunk of cap money available (Basically the salaries of whoever leaves out of Pryce, Gardner, Flannery, Frodsham, Armstrong etc) and no one to spend it on. We're two props and at least one back short of competing for trophies. Negative? No, it's the reality of the situation. It's not time to jump off a bridge as we'll be above half way in the league no doubt, but is there any harm me telling it how it is?

Why, are you the type to eat pot noodle at lunch time?

Anyway, nothing wrong with sharing a conversation with a supporter of another team. Refreshing to hear something other than negative drivel. After all, the last time I looked, this was a fans forum.

Just out of interest, if you did win tonight, would you cheer up a little Saddened?

I'd run naked from the HJ to my house if we won tonight.

All 25 yards?

In all seriousness though, anything could happen tonight. If I were you, yes, I wouldn't be expecting a win. But to dismiss it as even a possibility like you have been is reverse psychology, at best!

By the looks of it, it's going to be

Wellens
Makinson
Flannery
Meli
Foster
Gaskell
Lomax
Graham
Roby
LMS
Soliola
Puletua
Wilkin

Perry
Moore
Eastmond
Ashurst/Dixon/Magennis