Trying to put an end to this thread, a saints fan accusing Wires of fiddling the books is Pot Calling Kettle.

You honestly hand on heart cant argue against it either. Youre proven cheats, we are not. End Of.

Wigan are also reaping the rewards as well now very similar to Saints this season in the amount of youngsters being blooded at first grade level and impressing week in, week out.

Also U-20's championship Saints lead the way although it does look like Dire are on the improvement at this level whether the youngsters get the chance though as at Saints it remains to be seen?

Hull FC lead the way Saints are 3rd

You never know who if any will 100% make it in Super League though even if they play above U20s level you can just hope.

Emmit? Is that the product of Warrington's academy system we're talking about?

This just about sums up the knowledge of the game in general. You also missed out another 5 Warrington produced players in our first team squad but they probably don't qualify under your assessment criteria. I mean what's a Challenge Cup winners medal matter.

At the end of the day Warrington have never been found guilty of breaching the salary cap for a very good reason: they never have. Whilst Saints and Wigan both have for an equally good reason: they both had.

Anyway where's the muppet who thinks Sculthorpe came through the ranks at Oldham gone.

Can't speak for anythin other than our U20's, but the team from last year has been broken up completely due to the amount of players out on dual-contracts, something like 12 players at last count, which in turn has meant players from the ages below have had to step up etc.

Bearing in mind Saints incompetence at basic financial forecasting and planning. I would wager it is a simple case of Warrington having more competent people in charge of the running of the fiscal side of things.

Is this the third year on the bounce that 'Warrington MUST be cheating the cap'?

All it seems to me is that Morans money also employs better people 'behind the scenes'.
A thoroughly professional club on and off the field.

Which is better for them I think then playing U20 level rugby

A few of our U20s are 17 years old.

I don't think you must be cheating the cap because you appear to be level on points with a penny pinching Saints squad hammered by injury all season.

If you are cheating the cap you're not doing it very well.

Maybe Saints should teach us how it's done

You may have a point there. If we are currently comparable with Saints in the league, who are proven at breaking the cap, then it is as good as proven.

Absolutely its better for them to be out on DC, I was just making the point that other teams seem to think there juniors are better than ours because of results. I was just pointing out that we are weakened in that area by letting the players play in a more competitive environment.

That penny pinching Saints squad that your own CEO said was spending up to the salary cap limit on a recent Radio Manchester Thursday night programme?

Mind you he also said in the same programme that Saints would play their fist game at their new stadium at the beginning of June 2011.