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Quote: Phuzzy "Do you know what though? They'd have an even better life if some pr!ck with a gun didn't take it upon himself to end it!'"
The animal might never have even come into existance in the first place, if it wasn't for the hunting area.

Quote: Phuzzy "Tell you what. You're going to die someday and other people have it far worse anyway, so I'll take it you'll have no objection if I come and slaughter you while you innocently go about your business.'"
Are you going to eat him afterwards?

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Quote: Saint Simon "Its not my bag, but i don't have anytime for people who don't want animals to be hunted or hurt, but then happily use the produce from it, it is very hypocritical, however you choose to sugarcoat it'"



I notice you haven't responded to my examples. Are those choices as black and white as you would like to make this one? If not, why not?

The fact is you can't make the need to survive a black and white issue when comparing it with the "need" to hunt for fun (or sport, if you consider it such). Whichever way you look at it there is a moral aspect to any choice we make. And for your information this isn't hypocritical. It would be hypocritical if I condemned KC for hunting but thought it was ok for me to do it. The two examples you quote are not comparable but are seperate choices, one made in order to survive the other to enjoy the "thrill" of killing something. The only people who consider two seperate arguments as hypocritical are those that don't properly understand the meaning of the word.

I would be interested to hear your responses to the examples I gave in the previous post though, nevertheless.

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Quote: Offside Monkey "The animal might never have even come into existance in the first place, if it wasn't for the hunting area.

Are you going to eat him afterwards?'"



And you might never have come into existance had your Mum and Dad not conceived you. Does this give them the right to kill you too? The animal exists. Once it does the choice is quite simply whether it is ok to end it's life for the sole entertainment of one individual. It's a moral choice for each person to make. I think he's a pr!ck as I said earlier.

Eat the lion, the poster or Keiron? I might just be able to stomach the Lion! icon_lol.gif

Joking aside, the issue is not about food. It's about a moral choice on whether entertainment or "the thrill" is sufficient reason to justify killing something.

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Quote: Phuzzy "And you might never have come into existance had your Mum and Dad not conceived you. Does this give them the right to kill you too? The animal exists. Once it does the choice is quite simply whether it is ok to end it's life for the sole entertainment of one individual. It's a moral choice for each person to make. I think he's a pr!ck as I said earlier.

Eat the lion, the poster or Keiron? I might just be able to stomach the Lion! I dont see the difference of killing something for a thrill or killing it so you can have a nice sofa, both are basically the same, and ignoring one while saying the other is a moral choice is as mr brown would say biggotted

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Quote: SaintsFan "He's been killing for food since he was a kid. Didn't you read the article? I'd hardly call him an amateur! I would have thought by now he was quite the expert.

He can come and cull the damn pigeons around my house. They crap all over the place.'"


He's been playing Rugby for years and struggles to pass a ball backwards. What on earth makes you think he might be able to shoot straight?

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Quote: Fishsta "He's been playing Rugby for years and struggles to pass a ball backwards. What on earth makes you think he might be able to shoot straight?'"


To achieve his DSC licence he needs to be a top marksmen, for example3 times in succession.

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Quote: Saint Simon "I dont see the difference of killing something for a thrill or killing it so you can have a nice sofa, both are basically the same, and ignoring one while saying the other is a moral choice is as mr brown would say biggotted'"



Well I don't have a leather sofa so I'm not sure of your analogy as it supposedly pertains to me. However, that aside, you still haven't responded to the examples I gave, so I can only assume it's because you can't. I suggest you study your own stance before condeming someone else as a bigot.

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Quote: Judder Man "To achieve his DSC licence he needs to be a top marksmen, for example3 times in succession.'"


4 inches is a huge target.

Now if it had been 8mm targets I'd have been impressed.

Nice insult towards Cunningham, though. "Marksmen", insinuating there's enough of him to be more than one.

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Quote: Fishsta "Methinks you're missing the point, Judder Man...

We're talking about an amateur taking pot-shots at real creatures. The professionals, those who rear or farm animals for the provision of food to the masses, make very few mistakes in the way they stun or kill animals so that their suffering is minimal. Sure, there's the odd mistake, but Elmer Fudd here is far more likely to increase the suffering of an animal many times before he lands a killer blow or shot.
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Fishsta................We at the working group at Haybridge Nature Reserve up here in Cumbria laughed at this particular paragraph the most............this is TOTAL GARBAGE.

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Quote: Judder Man "Fishsta................We at the working group at Haybridge Nature Reserve up here in Cumbria laughed at this particular paragraph the most............this is TOTAL GARBAGE.'"


Really?

You know what I find funny, you don't even know where you work. Bouth is in LANCASHIRE, not Cumbria.

See the signature.

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Bouth SD3285 Lancashire[/code

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Quote: Phuzzy "Well I don't have a leather sofa so I'm not sure of your analogy as it supposedly pertains to me. However, that aside, you still haven't responded to the examples I gave, so I can only assume it's because you can't. I suggest you study your own stance before condeming someone else as a bigot.'"

In answer to your original question, killing is killing, just society determines which is morally acceptable. You may not have a leather sofa, but you will almost certainly have some animal based product in you daily life. It's all about choice, I don't hunt and I personally don't see how someone gets pleasure from it, but if thatsxwhat he does, it's not illegal, so go for it. My personal thoughts are that it's the same as fishing, but less painfull for the deer

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Quote: Phuzzy "And you might never have come into existance had your Mum and Dad not conceived you. Does this give them the right to kill you too? '"

Well, I don't [ithink[/i i was bred in order to help stock a game reserve, but now that you mention in, I better watch my back. 24.31103515625:10
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