Fishta, what will you do next season when Cunningham is retired? Ive never known anyone to be as obsessed over one player as you are over him? Did your mum cheat on your dad with him? Did he kick your cat? Does your girlfriend scream his name during sexor?

I'm not going to get caught up in your heated debate on here but I've read your posts and you are the biggest cock on here!

Fair enough old rouges can talk crap at time but you take the pi$$, anyone would think you'd won a few games and are getting a little giddy.

Now do us all a favour, fook off to another forum and make trouble on there. Thank you

I have watched the game again very carefully and it is clear that Saints held on just as long as Wigan in the tackle or put another way Wigan don't hold on any longer. Which makes sense really because if Wigan were holding down too long they would be penalised and if Saints were not holding down long enough then fool them. It is the whole technique that Wigan employ which gives them a slight advantage i.e. 3 men in the tackle keeping the man moving until the tackle is complete with usually the man on his back pointing the wrong way. The time advantage, which allows the Wigan defensive line time to reset, is the added delay in completing the tackle and not from time lying on. The tacklers peel off at the right time so as not to infringe. An additional split second is gained because the attacker has to regain his feet and turn round. People who suggest that Wigan are lying on too long are missing the point by a mile.

Also they are missing the point by a mile if they think that Wigan's control of the ruck area is THE reason for their early season form. Wigan are paying attention to ALL areas of the game perhaps with the exception of field kicks which have room for improvement. If you win all the small battles then you increase your chances of winning the war.

Focus on Wigan's defence is also missing the fact that Wigan's attack is far better than previous years again through better technique and running lines. Robby Paul even referred to it as sexy rugby! None of this is down to luck. It is clearly down to good coaching coupled with good execution from the players. Surely that is what RL is all about.

Are you kidding me? First someone says I've posted "bollox" then proceeds to verify everything I said, then I AGREE with your post, and in return get called a "cock" and told to "fook off".

Can we have someone vaguely intelligent from the Saints contingent join this discussion please?

This kind of complaint really baffles me. Do people really not sit back and wonder why Australian backs seem tob be so much better than the back we produce in Super League? It's because the backs in NRL actually have to work to score tries. The play the ball in NRL is a hell of a lot slower so teams in Oz face a set defensive line every tackle.

Personally I would much rather see teams unlock a set defense with a slick back-line move as opposed to a fat hooker stealing cheap yards and getting a roll off a quick ruck

You see, this is why I say you talk bollox. Where Saints players are concerned, you have no idea. I wouldn't expect you to as you support Wigan. So you really are better not saying anything because you do look the biggest pratt in town when you talk about something of which you know nothing.

If you feel better because I agreed about something which was a fact - that Saints players gave away lots of penalties (I have said quite clearly that they were without composure all game) then you go and feel better. I think it really is pathetic that you get a buzz from stating the obvious, but never mind. You are one obsessed individual anyway.

And why you singled Cunningham out as not getting over the line I don't know. Did you all have a special celebration because he didn't score? He hasn't scored in other matches either, so what? I think you have a secret love for Cunningham, which is why you are so totally obsessed with him. Only someone deeply attracted but embarrassed by that could make such a fool of themselves over one man as you do over the King!

It is though, everything else comes from the control of the ruck area. Whilst I agree that their attacking is much improved, it would be far less effective if they weren't controlling teams as well in defence.

Any coach worth their salt when looking at an overall average attacking side will tighten up the defence. And since the refs - bar Ganson - are allowing them to get away with slowing down the PTB, they are on to a winner.

But that still doesn't change the fact that we bottled it.

Mate, you keep saying "getting away with it". Getting away with what exactly? I invite you to time Saints, Leeds or anyone else's longest unpenalised control of the ruck and compare it to Wigan's. You'll find it's the same. The only difference is that Wigan are more able to control the ruck consistently. You can't complain that it's somehow against the rules because your own team isn't able to succeed in doing what they are undoubtably trying to do!

Controlling the ruck is just one aspect of the game which Wigan are currently doing very well. But to suggest that is the sole reason for Wigan's early season success is wide of the mark. Actually I am not bothered whether you get it or not and I hope it takes the other teams some while to cotton on as well. It is perhaps a good thing that the media is focusing on this one aspect of Wigan's play.

No matter what Wigan do the opposition are going to try to find a reason to complain about us. Wigan are currently better than most teams and thats why we are top of the league. Our opposition needs to improve their game, not complain about ours.

This current obsession with the way Wigan are controlling the ruck and suggesting comparisons with Huddersfield from last year are misguided. Huddersfield controlled the ruck well last year but their attack wasn't too exciting however their attack this year has improved by miles. They are good to watch. Wigan this year have played some brilliant attacking rugby and scored some memorable tries. To suggest that conrolling the ruck area is somehow negative is missing the point.

As I have said previously, the three in the tackle and peel is a risky ploy. If the likes of Harry Pinner et al were still playing they would love it. Three men in the tackle and ball away, try time.
it's called creativity and something that is sadly missing from the run hard, run fast, run straight forwards of today.

Oh, c'mon Rogues. Three men in a tackle is hardly creativity! It's just a lot of practice on the training field!

You're misunderstanding my post, the creativity is the ball playing forward like Pinner or McTigue who would revel in that type of tackle.