I take it the decline of your team is tough to come to terms with - shame...

You were still approx 20 yards out, the penalty was not standing square wasn't it?, I stand corrected if I'm wrong???

Yes we did deserve the draw at least. Why do you think we didn't deserve to win when we lead all the way until 5 mins to go despite being second best perhaps in terms of territory. It's not like you dominated the scoring chances or had any disallowed tries is it!

I wasn't aware 'the punt' was off the 1st tackle but if it was, then fair play. Looked in desperation to me as you were getting pounded on your own line. The try still came of a hopeful kick down field regardless of being planned or not (so not a line break), I'll wait and see how legitimate it was but the officials were nowhere. I'll have a close look at the highlights on the SL website.

Regarding fronting up, how do you think we have topped the table four times in a row if we can't front up? Bradford away last year with only two fit props is how you front up. Leeds away another, I could go on. You have no idea what you are on about. Do you honestly think we win every match at a cantor with 40+ margins? We had to match up to a monster pack last week at Huddersfield.

When HKR have won anything at all in super league and have had sustained success (10+ years) countless silverware and an unbeaten league run of 20+ matches then I'll take you seriously.

You really have no credibility whatsoever.

One final thing, the only way we could have improved last year was winning 1 more match, scored 1 more try and conceded 1 less. Sadly we can only really maintain our level, improvement is hard. Potter has big shoes to fill. It's easy to improve on mediocrity for HKR.

Oh look theyve beat us and she's got all giddy.

Where were these Leeds youngsters in both GF's.

Watkins is a great prospect, and Hall looks very promising, but give me Wheeelr, Eastmond, Frodsham and Dixon any day of the week. I'd wager all will play for England within 3 years.

I'll take that wager

How many penalties did Saints give away against Rovers at Knowsley Road last season?

Didn't you play a game at the Stoop and concede 0 penalties aswell?

Dunno, people have slept since then.

The difference is Leeds' top youngsters play in the first team while yours play in academy games.

Maybe when your old boys retire very soon you will find out the value in that.

You know it is people like you who must make supporters of other teams think we are a set of idiot whingers, you need to wake up and face it, we were undercooked and just came up against a team playing very hot and determined at the early part of the season

Hull KR have drawn with Bratfud and by all accounts _should_ have beaten the Whinos so why are you so keen to bash the ref, you would be better watching the game, it is no disgrace and it is no disaster. face up to it man on the day they beat us not the ref

Smith has reffed us for years, in superleague games up to this year we won 18 lost 7 Away games with him reffing. At home we had won 13 and lost just 2. So that is 31 - 9, if he is bent / hates Saints / etc etc then he aint making much of a job is he.

My advice to you is just watch the game and if we lose take it like a man not whinging like a little girl, we will still be there at the sharp end

I think your perception of these youngsters is distorted somewhat; and will be amplified when the likes of Cunningham & Gidley retire.

Eastmond looks a great prospect granted; and Frodsham has potential to do well but there's not a cat in hell's chance all four will play will play for England in 3 years.

I'Anson is a better prospect than Wheeler and Liam Watts is a better player than Frodsham.

You really need to take a step back and not be consumed by the typical RL media noises and the "bubble" surrounding your club.

You can't compare two players, like Wheeler and I'Anson, who have only played a handful of games each. When they have played a few seasons of Super League then you can determine who is the better player.

Says who? oh you well it must be true

Fair point.

I certainly think all fans of all SL clubs hype up their youngsters to be more than they actually are, but your clubs case, I get a strong impression that is even more so.