Of course you can separate the two.

I don't think the contract extension has helped. If people thought that he had to the end of the season they may have been more generous. But since the contract was signed it seemed to turn fans into being more urgent calling for him to go.

It's a shame really as without the contract extension it would have been an experiment that did not work. With a contract extension there would have to be a sacking or a mutual parting.

With so many old heads around the place would changing just the coach make enough of a difference?

Run of bad games? We've not played well all year. In fact we are the most boring team in super league and when we play decent teams we will struggle big time.

We beat a depleted hudds team. We beat a cas team which lost 3 players in the first 20 mins. We beat a awful Wakey team ams still played awful rugby. We struggled against injury ravaged hull KR side and if Kelly stayed on we would have lost. We was embarrassed by a roosters side thst i don't think have won a game this year.

Don't think so, bad coaching, no structure and too many "projects" in pivotal positions. For some reason we are one of the dumbest teams in super league with a defence that only lasts 20 mins per game.

Whooa steady up...a bit strong suggesting passionate fans are spitting the dummy out and being prococious because Cunninghams not up to it(re:your sophistry remark).On the contrary,I think pure pragmatisim,they are commenting to whats being served and who is directing this dogs dunner.Your appealling to sentimental and nostalgic times of invincibility e.g 2006 and what that statue represents.We arent knocking it down ,but its 2016 and times stink at Saints you cant possibly disagree?.Yesterday that was THEE worst stint of clulessness ive seen Saints with 2 sets 10-5 metres out ,they werent expecting the ball,not looking,dropping ball,pass the parcel with absolutely no direction.
That mug has got to fit fairly and squarely on Cunninghams shoulders and you have to divorce the magnificent player from the poor coach statue or not.queen victorias got a statue in town centre but she was a miserable old git.

No one said they were broke! but it is the money that has been spent, and the leadership from The Top, who really runs the club, doubt that Rush does what most club CEO's do, there has been some real bad buying of players, some of the best young player take two Gaskell & Foster left the club. Something is not right!

Joke to have Roby on the bench , first 10 mins you have all the pressure and main man not on the pitch to take advantage . As for Burns

You don't put those kind of players on the bench in big derby games.

I know, we had a bit of pressure on Wigan first 15 mins, with Roby and Walmsley on we could exploited it a bit more and come away with some points. Wigan just held firm in the middle as there wasn't much of a threat then sent the ball out wide away from Roby and Walmsley when they came on. Wigan were clever in both defence and attack, Saints were just doing dumb predictable plays mostly from Walsh.

Aye, and both of those players have proved them wrong.

This.

He's incredibly predictable and very slow. He goes nowhere near taking their line on, he runs sideways instead before throwing a pass to a forward who's stood still about 5 yards from the opposition so they have no chance of breaking the line and just get smashed instead. He offers absolutely nothing. His bottle has totally gone.

This plodding, boring, pedestrian pace is down to him. He takes all the sting out of any potential attack we can muster.

I can't stop you guys from wanting to axe YET ANOTHER Saints coach (remember the calls to sack Brown before he triumphed at Old Trafford?). All I'm saying is that if any person deserves to be given every last opportunity to bring success to the club it's Cunningham.

I wouldn't mind so much if we were languishing near the foot of the competition with a vastly inferior squad. But you'd have to be a fool to believe there's anyone in SL we can't beat all things being equal.

As for "appealing to sentiment" ... well, d'uh! A sport without sentiment would be a pretty poor show.

I'm always amazed by the customer-is-always-right brigade continuously moaning about "boring" football. I mean, no one is FORCING them to pay their entrance fees. Or is it that they too are feeling just a bit sentimental ... ?

Well I feel FORCED to sell or send my season ticket back , I,ve supported Saints for a very long time through good and bad coaches, good and bad players but one thing we have never been is BORING. Since KC took over I backed him up last season allowing him some slack to learn the coaching role, this season is going from bad to worse in how we play, ALL the players are performing worse than last season, the attitude or response of the players to pressure is shocking.
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Our coaching team is so defunct of ideas and have lowered standards so much that KC is struggling with realism in his post match quotes, a 20 min performance in a 80 min game is just not acceptable.
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The true reality is that we certainly have become the most BORING team in super league and fans will turn away (sooner than later) if it continues.

I'm not going as far as sending ticket back but I'm taking a break from the saints games. I'm not going widnes or hull at home next week.

I always go Widnes away, but giving it a miss, think its the first time for about 25 years.

I,m thinking of watching the u/19's games more, maybe you can answer the question I,ve just raised in the u/19's topic.