There is a good example of this later in the half, not in the motion of scoring, but same situation Saints on the Gaints 30m and Saints get banged for a loose carry, think it was Thompson who had the ball, was struggling to get out of the tackle. Giants have hands in the tackle and the ball pops out, loose carry given.

Exactly the same as Crabtree with his struggle to get the ball down and the ball pops out but a loose carry is not given, it was a penalty. That was pretty bad, but the Wardle try was a shocker. Firstly there is a knock on in the jump for the ball, then Percival is taken out, then Turner has the ball in his hand, there is no control from Wardle and Wellens should have been allowed to run the ball out. All pretty shocking and I would be furious if Saints showed any spark about them near the opponents line. But quite frankly the big minus is giving opposition teams major leads and turning the ball over cheaply to them.

Huddersfield needed no favours tonight but both Saints and the ref where helping bucket loads. Wilkin with another 5th tackle penalty shocker.

I think the Wellens one was the right call as he wasn't close enough to the line when it was forced out. If a player is in the process of putting the ball down and it's forced out, it's fine as you mention as the defender isn't trying to steal it, but force it away from the line.

Fair enough!

On a general note I don't think it was Silverwood's best performance. The ruck was a joke because he is so unwilling to police it.

Sorry boys you were the biggest culprits around the ruck last night I would have preferred quick PT B's last night you slowed us down quite well to be fair !!!

I think Silverwood had a shocker last night. Every 50/50 went the Huddersfield and even some obvious Saints penalties went to Huddersfield. Not using that as an excuse though we got massive outplayed.

I agree.

PTBs were a mess - he only gave one pen for it, but it happened a few times.

I've noticed that players this season are generally not playing on the mark either and are pushing up against the first marker. Hudds were doing this a lot last night. We should do this to give some space for Roby considering that refs do not seem concerned with it.

That's standard for Silverdud though. He's the polar opposite to James Child.

One with Walmsley too who was on his feet and had every right to play the ball, Huddersfield hands in and gives a knock on. The Thompson one lead to a try, even Cummings said it was a poor call

<- one-sided blinkers!

Notice you don't mention the crossing-that-never-was.

That's because it was clearly crossing.

For gods sake! It wasn't crossing because he didn't run behind the man. It was, however, obstruction.

And before you say anything, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it should be anything goes over the line. The tackler shouldn't have to worry aboiut giving a penalty away when trying to hold the ball up.

There is actually nothing in the rules about "crossing" - only obstruction. Gardner was clearly obstructed as, in a situation where he is attempting to get to the ball carrier and another attacker is running across his line, he has right of way.

Crossing is something that has been made up by people whose views of Rugby League are taken from numpties such as Phil Clarke and Mike Stephenson.

Was Gardner obstructed when attempting to get to the ball carrier? Yes he was. Penalty. End of story.

Your point is right but it was Percy. Ade didn't know where he was at this stage in the game.

I did think in the first half 'nothing at all is going our way here', but it then seemed to be the complete opposite in the second half. Still think the Wardle first try was wrong call.