Matches their consistently outstanding performances. These two alone deserve to get something good from our season and I hope that other players, senior and junior, pull their fingers out for the remainder of it so that they do get something good from the season.

This IMO proves even more that our backs just ain't good enough. The forwards are doing the hard yard but nothing to show for it.

That much dominatio, possesion and field postion should result in points on the board.

I actually felt sorry for our pack Saturday as they deserved to be on the winning side.

Meli had a great game to be fair.

Wellens though is so far past it he cant remember what it looks like anymore

Wilkins tackling stats are unreal. 50 tackles and none missed. Great stuff that.

Only one stat that matters.

12-18

Obviously. But this thread was looking at how that happened.

You've got to feel for the forwards there, they completely dominated Wigan and got nothing to show for it.

It's not often our pack gets a beating. IMO we've the strongest pack in super league. I felt sorry for them Saturday, they was by far better than Wigan but our back just didn't create anything.

I think Jon Wilkin has been the best backrow in super league this year and that includes being better than Hoffman( I highly rate) and ben westwood( I highly rate).

Also, TP and roby have been awesome this year. Getting both signed on deals was great by the club as we'd miss these two big time.

TP was my man of the match on Saturday.

Leon Pryce was on the field but he wasn't at the match and I think that was a large part of our attacking problem. But as coaches have said, we also played to laterally and only when we fixed that up could we make something of the game.

But crucially, IMO, we dropped the ball at vital times. We dropped way too much ball anyway but some of our indescretions just undid all our hard work. TP, Moore, LMS, Wello, Foster among others were all guilty. I thought we'd fixed that problem as our ball retention had been good for the last two matches but seemingly the players thought otherwise.

And for those blaming the coach, no coach coaches his team to drop the ball!

Oh, and another stat. We forced FIVE goal line dropouts.

Saintsfan, do you think that it's getting to familiar with pryce going missing in big games?

Does he miss longy?

When longy was his 7, he'd take a back seat and drift in and out of the game when it suited him and IMO was more effective that way. It's like Sam Tomkins at Wigan, he drifts in and out of the game when it suits him and it makes it harder to pin him down.

Pryce was knackered; he was huffing and puffing most of the second half - obviously not match fit yet.
In addition as has already been said, he couldn't/wouldn't prise himself away from the left channel meaing all our play was on that side and the goons were just waiting for us.
I've watched the recording yesterday and not ONE attack in the first half went down our right hand side.

Saturday might have come a little early for pryce who effectively has been out for a year but what about the grand finals he's gone missing in?

I'm only going on what I remember of him before his injury last season and I'd say from that quite the opposite. I think he came out of his shell after Longy left. He was superb and always involved in every game. Ironic that the last time we beat Wigan was also the last time he played in a match against Wigan, and he was very dominant in that match. His solo try from the scrum was a masterstroke of halfback play which we don't get most of the time because we have very few thinkers in our team.

He is undoubtedly unfit but it was more than that on Saturday. He wasn't doing much in the way of anything really except poor passing and rubbish kicking (bar one hoof, which found the turf). He didn't send any ball to the right as he did in the last two games, mixing and matching, so I think he was ignoring the game plan.

Had Royce not been aware of Gaskell's inexperience and the thumping we got at the hands of Wigan at the Stobart and the chances of a backline player breaking down (none of us know who exactly were the 'walking wounded' after all), I'm sure he would have pulled Pryce off in the first half and thrown Gaskell on because we would have got more out of Gaskell on Saturday than we got from Pryce, and I never thought I would be writing that opinion down after a match against Wigan!

I was pretty annoyed with Pryce actually although I haven't said anything until now. It must be because you're called St Pete that I feel I have to confess.

The only answer I have for that which isn't very good is that in the last one against leeds I think he was carrying an injury (quelle surprise!) and also he only seems to struggle/ go missing when our pack struggles (which obviously wasn't the case on saturday).

I know exactly what players was not fit and who shouldn't have played and before the game I thought we was in for a cricket score.

The sad thing tho, we put ourselves in a position to win the game.