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Quote: Rogues Gallery "There's only one who does the running.


How is that relevant?

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "How is that relevant?'"


Very much like the poster .. it isnt. Shame he's not banned here too

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "How is that relevant?'"



Its a play on words about the comment of Hock running away from Mason and then Mason promptly runs away from an accident.

Fairly smart, raised a smile, handy timing that Mason and Hock both get public cock ups in the same week

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Quote: bewareshadows "Its a play on words about the comment of Hock running away from Mason and then Mason promptly runs away from an accident.

Fairly smart, raised a smile, handy timing that Mason and Hock both get public cock ups in the same week'"


Haha no need to try and patronise me mate, I understand puns and such like. It was just irrelevant, as are most things Rogues posts.

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Quote: SLS "Wouldn't describe James Graham as a classic ball player yet Hock is the best ball handling forward of the past decade !

Wiganers. Brilliant.'"

Ok smart arris you obviously have difficulty in following anything that doesn't comply with your views.
I'm over 50 and when I started watching league virtually every team had a forward who could off load lay a ball off to supporting players. Today they are virtually non existent due to all coaches being obsessed with forward stereotypes who all run with their heads down looking to go no further than the advantage line with 4 more similar players sitting on the bench. I believe Hock to be a throwback to those days when more risks were taken and is a very under rated exponent of that craft.
I believe and said that Graham is an excellent player and one of the best uk props I have ever seen but his MAJOR strength isn't his ability with the ball - not doubting his ability just don't believe that it is his greatest asset.
Tchhh a Saints fan hey who can't understand a counter argument or take the time to read and digest the arguement. You couldn't make it up.

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Haha no need to try and patronise me mate, I understand puns and such like. It was just irrelevant, as are most things Rogues posts.'"


It was not meant as patronising.

I was simply responding to a question.

Always the difficulty with message boards. They do not convey tone.

To me it was revelvant to the bit that rouges quoted and I assumed you had missed that part.

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It looks as though Hock may have burned his bridges at Salford games this week for foul play.

"It’s up to Gareth now," said Koukash.

"But I think, sitting with him at the weekend talking with him about his future in rugby league, maybe the time has come for Gareth to see what else he wants to do other than rugby league."'

www.loverugbyleague.com/news_170 ... ukash.html
It looks as though Hock may have burned his bridges at Salford games this week for foul play.

"It’s up to Gareth now," said Koukash.

"But I think, sitting with him at the weekend talking with him about his future in rugby league, maybe the time has come for Gareth to see what else he wants to do other than rugby league."'

www.loverugbyleague.com/news_170 ... ukash.html


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Hock makes too many mistakes to be described as a great anything.

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Quote: bewareshadows "It was not meant as patronising.

I was simply responding to a question.

Always the difficulty with message boards. They do not convey tone.

To me it was revelvant to the bit that rouges quoted and I assumed you had missed that part.'"

Think Mr Girraffes paranoia has seen off his sense of humour.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Ok smart arris you obviously have difficulty in following anything that doesn't comply with your views.
I'm over 50 and when I started watching league virtually every team had a forward who could off load lay a ball off to supporting players. Today they are virtually non existent due to all coaches being obsessed with forward stereotypes who all run with their heads down looking to go no further than the advantage line with 4 more similar players sitting on the bench. I believe Hock to be a throwback to those days when more risks were taken and is a very under rated exponent of that craft.
I believe and said that Graham is an excellent player and one of the best uk props I have ever seen but his MAJOR strength isn't his ability with the ball - not doubting his ability just don't believe that it is his greatest asset.
Tchhh a Saints fan hey who can't understand a counter argument or take the time to read and digest the arguement. You couldn't make it up.'"


Grahams MAJOR strength is his all round game, more drives, more meters, more tackles and BALL DISTRIBUTION throughout the seventy minutes he usually plays.

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Quote: bewareshadows "It was not meant as patronising.

I was simply responding to a question.

Always the difficulty with message boards. They do not convey tone.

To me it was revelvant to the bit that rouges quoted and I assumed you had missed that part.'"


Fair enough mate. Reading back I was being a bit of an ar$e to be fair.

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Quote: Billinge_Lump "Hock makes too many mistakes to be described as a great anything.'"


A great pillock?

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Quote: Dux "It looks as though Hock may have burned his bridges at Salford games this week for foul play.

"It’s up to Gareth now," said Koukash.

"But I think, sitting with him at the weekend talking with him about his future in rugby league, maybe the time has come for Gareth to see what else he wants to do other than rugby league."'



I'd worry about what he may do. Does he have any irons in the fire?
But I can see why Koukash may think enough is enough, time for someone else to take the burden off him.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Ok smart arris you obviously have difficulty in following anything that doesn't comply with your views.
I'm over 50 and when I started watching league virtually every team had a forward who could off load lay a ball off to supporting players. Today they are virtually non existent due to all coaches being obsessed with forward stereotypes who all run with their heads down looking to go no further than the advantage line with 4 more similar players sitting on the bench. I believe Hock to be a throwback to those days when more risks were taken and is a very under rated exponent of that craft.
I believe and said that Graham is an excellent player and one of the best uk props I have ever seen but his MAJOR strength isn't his ability with the ball - not doubting his ability just don't believe that it is his greatest asset.
Tchhh a Saints fan hey who can't understand a counter argument or take the time to read and digest the arguement. You couldn't make it up.'"

I'd say Graham is the old school type prop youre talking about? Doesn't need spelling and able to do some ball handling (not just offloading). He's also an athelete based on old fashioned strength, rather than someone like Burgess who's all power (yes, there's a difference and the power is something that has been boosted exponentially by modern training).

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In the last test against Australia James Graham was taking the ball at first receiver as the primary playmaker. He regularly does so for the Bulldogs.

When has Gareth Hock EVER played as an attacking pivot?

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