There's a middle ground, though. Sav looks very promising, but is as yet fairly unproven. A decent deal with a realistic NRL transfer fee clause would seem sensible.

I find that's usually the best way to deal with your questions too

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This is a total misrepresentation. For several months now Savelio has not signed because he "wants to play in the NRL". Saints not paying him what he thinks he is worth has never been mentioned.

If Savelio was unhappy with the salary Saints proposed he had every opportunity to say so. He hasn't to anyone I know he's passed his NRL love onto. What's more - there' been no attempt to roll back from the commitment to the NRL.

Which means a Warrington contract is the product of outright deceit. According to him he has no interest in playing SL.



First, Savelio is NOT our best forward. He's not our second-best forward. He's not our third best forward. He's a very promising youngster who has looked good in the LIMITED opportunities he's had. In NO WAY does this make him anything like your over-blown portrayal. Not yet, anyhow.

Second, I find it hard to believe that this board's resident Pandora finds it inconceivable that a player who is willing to string his club along with a fictitious rationale whilst negotiating against them will do so again (with far greater consequences).

Let's say Saints upped their offer and Savelio decided to stay. Are you so stupid to think this will be the end of it? It's one thing to have a dream of going to Australia and making it happen. No one would ever hold that against him. But lying to the club? His teammates? Conducting back-channel negotiations to a club Saints' believe aren't even in the running? If ever there was an issue which is bound to spill over into the dressing room (in multiple very unpleasant ways - all of which can take root like a damned cancer) this is it.

Seriously, I can't believe I even need to explain this. It's ABC stuff.

I didn't "assume" Savelio's pretext. This issue hasn't just appeared out of the blue. I've known about it since last December (perhaps even earlier).

If Savelio wanted more money and was prepared to go back on his commitment to Australia he's had ample opportunity to set the record straight.

[Young] my bad.

I'll bite. Warrington don't stand a chance of winning a trophy but have won 4 in the last 5 years.

Already signed Gidley, Lineham and potentially Sandow, I think we do.

Player joins another club for more money shocker!! Can't believe it...burn him. Wanting a better wage the greedy get.

Normally, I fully agree. However given the difficulties he's had, and the loyalty and patience Saints have shown him, I struggle to believe that most decent human beings would be willing to repay that, at least to some extent. The hardball nature of his agents negotiating, along with the rumours that seemingly follow him, makes it a very bitter pill to swallow, if indeed there are anything in these rumours.

I suspect we'll learn a lot more on Sunday

Edit: got my days mixed up in my old age

I was about to question that, but you got the league leaders in 2011. Lineham should be an excellent signing, are you losing Monaghan or is he staying on? Gidley will either be as good as Hodgeson or as disastrous as Bowen, or somewhere in between.

I don't know enough about Sandow to comment.

I still, as a young prop forward, wouldn't be leaving Saints for Wire unless there was a substantial pay increase.

Rugby league is his job. Forget loyalty crap, he's here to make money. It's easy to watch from your fans seat and say he's not loyal but would you stay in your current Job if another company offered you more money ?

At the end of the day sav has probably 12 years to make what he can and hope he's lucky with injuries. I want to him stay but I know it's their living and not just sport.

"Second, I find it hard to believe that this board's resident Pandora finds it inconceivable that a player who is willing to string his club along with a fictitious rationale whilst negotiating against them will do so again (with far greater consequences). "

Must admit I see Saddened as more of a Cassandra figure myself; at least Pandora eventually let out Hope after trapping her in the box, and I've never seen much evidence that hope plays much part in Saddened's on-line persona.

If my company had developed me over several years, supported me through a debilitating illness and then promoted me, I would feel like I at least owed that company a bit of loyalty yes.

I'm not saying he owes us loyalty forever, and if he wants to go and follow his dream of the NRL one day, he goes with our blessing when he's firmly established, but Warrington for a bit more money?!

BUT, if you were "head hunted" by another company and offered a far better salary, with fringe benefits (car, pension etc) the surely you would consider it. As I've said previously Saints will have a max value for Savelio. If another club want to pay more than that then Saints have a big decision to make. Personally I would stick to my guns and let him go, because it will cause further problems down the line when the next young stars come knocking at the chairmans door asking for salaries that the club don't think are justified.

Savelio is a very good prospect, but that's all he is at the moment. What happens if he doesn't fulfill that potential and you finish up paying him way above market rate for four or five years?