Have to agree there. There's been a lot of exaggeration when it comes to Wigan's defence, but it's clear to me that every once in a while our props go too far when closing down opposition pivots; and (moronically) seem drawn to putting in the hit when, really, they should be pulling out because the ball has gone. Taylor has been guilty of this impulsive stupidity for sure a few times, Dudson and McIlorum too.

Like I said, I've nothing against a pack being rough, intimidating and aggressive but I don't like off the ball cheap shots. They are dangerous and cause damage. The attacking player naturally relaxes when the ball has gone so not prepared for the impact off the ball.

A certain Paul Deacon dislocated my jaw a long time a go from a off the late shot. I quickly learned to raise my elbow (Bobbie Goulding style) to protect myself after the ball has gone

All i am saying is he is far from a coward. A coward in my opinion is a ryan bailey likes to kick off with people a lot smaller than him and then backs up till the rest of the team joins in.

I don't think mcilorom is a coward but his cheap shots are cowardly.

More important than the inquest, does anyone know whether the X-Ray showed anything up?

I expect to find out tonight or tomorrow. From what I got told yesterday, they don't think anything is broke.

That's good news, priority number 1 of last night was getting through unscathed!

From what I've been told, nothing has been broken. Will have to wait and see I suppose.

A big worry for me was how we played the ruck. Wigan completely dominated that part of the game and in our struggle to fight against it our discipline slipped. I think Bentham was getting a bit carried away though, considering it was a friendly.

I really don't think we can dive off the deep end on a friendly.

This time last year we had just beaten Huddersfield in a Friendly, people were tipping us to win the league. Then a week later we got mullered by the very same team at the same ground.

Lets at least give them a couple of competitive games before we throw the towel in.

I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations of the season ahead. Saints played better than I expected and it was a good standard for a friendly. You will be in the top 5 again this year

just watching the game on Wigan TV and the one thing that sticks out is that Wigan's pack defiantly made the most meters and for the majority of the time on top.

also the tackle from flower was marginally late, it wasn't from a kick it was a pass and literally there was mili seconds in it. He then collides into Amor who was standing in the space he was running at.

Apart from the mass substitutions I thought it was more like a regular game the way the players went at it. It was a very different game from the Huddersfield friendly and from what I saw we need a massive improvement to even be close to winning anything this year.

The Walsh injury looks like a complete mash up of Walsh, Amor and Flower on Wigan TV (think its flower anyway).

There is only one camera angle but there didnt seem to be anything in it, just a collision really.

Hopefully nothing broken.