Aye, defence is all about attitude - it was Anderson who said that, and INSTILLED that philosophy into his Saints team.

The team has to proportion some of the blame today agreed, particularly for the shrug of the shoulders and give up with 15 minutes to go (much in the same way they did vs Catalans) BUT motivation, effort, attitude was missing from minute 1 and THAT is down to the coaching team. Pride in the shirt comes from them (admittedly not for the home grown players) and it's completely absent, and has been spoken about time and again on here. I thought we'd turned a corner last week after the little spat but no.

The errors are the same week in week out. They aren't being addressed - also the coaches fault.

Why on earth did you think we'd turned the corner? You must have knew it wouldn't last long playing with aggression and attitude.

We will play well next week and you will think we turned the corner and we will back to our old selves in few weeks.

It wasn't the performance that tricked me into thinking a corner had been turned - it was the spat in the media room ... I'd almost been convinced Brown gave a damn

But once again, the players show how much Brown cares

Why always blame the coach? Why sack the coach?

Today we lost because we can't tackle. Defence is a fundamental skill that all pro players should be able to do to a certain standard. We have lots of players that can't/won't tackle. Brown can't train then like 6 year olds practicing tackling.

It's time cut the slackers. Instead of talking about it, he needs to do it.

a) I've not said sack the coach, only sack him if there's someone better available and I'm not sure there is at the moment.

b) if it was week in, week out tackling like u9s then yes, the players aren't good enough. But if we tackled like that last week we'd of been beaten by triple figures. The players can do it, but just don't as regularly as they should (which is every week) - that is attitude, that is the coach. The coach doesn't care - we've all agreed on that on here and the result is results like today - as I said elsewhere 24-10 was a frustrating yet begrudgingly tolerable result - the 3 tries in the last 10 minutes was nothing more than apathy and that comes from the coach.

So your basically saying the players have no self pride?

Do you not think that spat in the media and bagging a ref would have a negative effect on how refs will officiate our games?

First thing I thought was the refs will crucify us now.

So the coach only motivates the players? They don't need to motivate themselves? They are paid professional rugby players, they should be motivated every single week regardless of a coach being there or not. They should be committed also, it's their job.

Players shouldn't need to be motivated or asked to be committed as that should be a given. I can accept poor performance, lack of ability but I can't accept players not being committed as we the paying public pay their wages.

The days of Alex Murphy throwing cups of tea about and insulting players in order to fire them up are well gone.

Is it? We all go on about how Wane gets Wigan nashing at the teeth week in week out. No player plays to lose, and are motivated to win, but that's not enough. All players (even today) put their body on the line, and are committed to the cause, but that fire needs to come as a team.

What I find strange is how the likes of Wellens and Cunningham are involved in the coaching team yet either aren't allowed or failing to inspire the players around them

The players have to have self motivation. If they don't, they should retire now.

There's a difference between motivation and fire in the belly/ knashing the teeth/ whatever cliche you like.

If the players are going out with no motivation to win, I agree they should give up now. But that's not the issue - it's only after the game is gone that the apathy sets in...

Paid rugby players shouldn't need motivating. No player that has pride in his performance should lack commitment and motivation.

Like Brown said last week, if we don't back it up next week then it means nothing and as I thought, we didn't back it up.

Exactly, most of the blame has got to go onto the players, Brown challenged them to back up from last week and they have failed and surrendered similar to Catalans the week before.
We will beat Bradford next week, but I,m expecting that we might give London there first win of the season like we did last season or was the year before.
There is a lot of apathy in our games, playing out a penalty, forming a scrum, kicking out from the post is very slow and wasting time taking intensity out of a game is what annoys me the most.

No chance of losing to Laaaandon. They're so poor they'd struggle in the Championship. They'll run riot over Bradford too. If Super League was a goldfish, Bradford and London would be that long trail of dangly crap that sticks to it's ringpiece.

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