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| Quote: glasgowsaint "I just wanted to say how thrilled I am about the progress of young Gaskell this season. He was thrown in at the deep end and it has really been a case of sink or swim for him. Despite a couple of little ducks underneath and gasps for air, it is definitely full steam ahead for him now !
I would add however that the attitude of a significant number of saints fans towards him has been a disgrace. There was much criticism of him on these boards in the last few months. We should be getting behind our youngsters, and accept that they will make mistakes, but they will come out the better for it. This is something where RS deserves great credit. He has shown great belief in Gaskell and the team are reaping the benefits. One thing I would always say about Gaskell, even when he was having a hard time and things were not coming off, he always kept his head up and never hid during the games. This showed to me that he had the character and determination to make it at our great club !
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Well said and good luck tomorrow Saints!
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| Quote: glasgowsaint "I just wanted to say how thrilled I am about the progress of young Gaskell this season. He was thrown in at the deep end and it has really been a case of sink or swim for him. Despite a couple of little ducks underneath and gasps for air, it is definitely full steam ahead for him now !
I would add however that the attitude of a significant number of saints fans towards him has been a disgrace. There was much criticism of him on these boards in the last few months. We should be getting behind our youngsters, and accept that they will make mistakes, but they will come out the better for it. This is something where RS deserves great credit. He has shown great belief in Gaskell and the team are reaping the benefits. One thing I would always say about Gaskell, even when he was having a hard time and things were not coming off, he always kept his head up and never hid during the games. This showed to me that he had the character and determination to make it at our great club !
COYS'"
I've not followed events on this board at all until very recently, but I copped unreasonable amounts of stick and directed personal abuse [ion a certain other Saints themed discussion site[/i because I dared to suggest that, magnificently though he undoubtedly has done this season all things considered, Saints would have been better off as a team with a fit Pryce or Wheeler at #6 this season - I fail to see what would be "disgraceful" about expressing those kind of sentiments? He's still a young 'un and prone to (completely understandable) mistakes, and those kinds of mistakes might end up costing us in the big occasion on Saturday. He's also just simply not yet as big a threat with ball in hand as Pryce or Wheeler can be, which is why I'd be a lot more comfortable right now with having either of the other 2 fit to turn out tomorrow. But he looks more and more a great player in the making every time I see him, could be the match-winning difference with the kicking we've missed in all the other GF defeats, and will have the full support of every breath in my body tomorrow. If that's what constitutes a "disgrace" on my part then so be it.
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| gaskell is 10 times the threat, ball in hand than Wheeler ever will be.
Forget the likes of Redyoff, Tyrer and that dude who got drunk and ended up at salford. Even without the injuries, Wheeler is probably the most overated youngster we have ever had.
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| Quote: Saint77777 "gaskell is 10 times the threat, ball in hand than Wheeler ever will be.
Forget the likes of Redyoff, Tyrer and that dude who got drunk and ended up at salford. Even without the injuries, Wheeler is probably the most overated youngster we have ever had.'"
I'm baffled as to how anyone coould come to that conclusion if they've ever actually seen him play - the guy's on a different planet to the likes of Matty Smith most certainly what ever you may think of him... Admittedly you have to be pretty lucky to be around at any of the rare occasions when he does actually play, but still...
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| Quote: Saint77777 "gaskell is 10 times the threat, ball in hand than Wheeler ever will be.
Forget the likes of Redyoff, Tyrer and that dude who got drunk and ended up at salford. Even without the injuries, Wheeler is probably the most overated youngster we have ever had.'"
What's Gary every done to you Lee?
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "What's Gary every done to you Lee?'"
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| Quote: Northampton_Saint "I've not followed events on this board at all until very recently, but I copped unreasonable amounts of stick and directed personal abuse [ion a certain other Saints themed discussion site[/i because I dared to suggest that, magnificently though he undoubtedly has done this season all things considered, Saints would have been better off as a team with a fit Pryce or Wheeler at #6 this season - I fail to see what would be "disgraceful" about expressing those kind of sentiments? He's still a young 'un and prone to (completely understandable) mistakes, and those kinds of mistakes might end up costing us in the big occasion on Saturday. He's also just simply not yet as big a threat with ball in hand as Pryce or Wheeler can be, which is why I'd be a lot more comfortable right now with having either of the other 2 fit to turn out tomorrow. But he looks more and more a great player in the making every time I see him, could be the match-winning difference with the kicking we've missed in all the other GF defeats, and will have the full support of every breath in my body tomorrow. If that's what constitutes a "disgrace" on my part then so be it.'"
I disagree with this. Pryce and Wheeler may be better individual players than Gaskell, however the team has benefitted from having the combination of Lomax and Gaskell, who complement each other extremely well. In particular, Gaskell has brough a kicking game to the team, that neither Pryce nor Wheeler possess. I believe that this is a case of the sum of the parts being greater than the whole, and that the Lomaskell combination is far better than a Lomeeler or Lomyce combo.
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| Quote: SomersetSaint "I disagree with this. Pryce and Wheeler may be better individual players than Gaskell, however the team has benefitted from having the combination of Lomax and Gaskell, who complement each other extremely well. In particular, Gaskell has brough a kicking game to the team, that neither Pryce nor Wheeler possess. I believe that this is a case of the sum of the parts being greater than the whole, and that the Lomaskell combination is far better than a Lomeeler or Lomyce combo.'"
I prefer the terms "Wheemax" and "Prymax" myself
Anyway, I agree that Gaskell's kicking is becoming an ever more important part of the team that we kind of need to incorporate somewhere if at all possible, but not at the cost of the "X Factor" that "Pryler" bring to an otherwise fairly prosaic set of backs for me. I'd rather have the ability to break a tough defence a la Wigan's with a bit of individual magic than be able to kick us into their 40 regularly but with no means to get through. Opinions and all that.
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| Quote: McClennan "The size point is very relevant because you can see already that although he doesn't have the pace of Lomax to go through a gap he has more than enough power to force the defender into making a strong tackle. You can see already how it's beginning to play its part because he has the passing threat too. Having the ability to both take on the line and pass to a good degree (his is better now than most other British half backs were who came through at similar ages e.g. Long) puts the defence on the back foot because they're not sure what he's going to do.
As Gaskell gets bigger and faster he's going to be a handful. You can have a big stand off if they can shift and pass. I'm certainly not comparing his skill level with these players but Lewis, Daley, Adolf and Barrett all had success in the NRL because they were also big men. Their size meant they posed more than just a play making threat.'"
Do you really believe he will get faster? Whilst he may add size or possibly an extra quarter yard of pace, he isn't going to become Linford Christie over the off season. The speed he has now is pretty much as quick as he's going to get!
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| Quote: Northampton_Saint "I prefer the terms "Wheemax" and "Prymax" myself
They sound too much like Jap cars or incontinence aids!!
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| Quote: Saddened! "Hhahahahahahahahahahah. I love that about him. We call him 'The Ghost'. My 5 year old started watching Saints this season and saw him and hid behind me. I asked what was up and he said, 'He's like a ghost'. Certainly ghosts through defenses.'"
I think that was you hiding behind your 5 year old really!
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Saints fans need to step up to the mark. This is what's said about our half back partnership by other fans, Wigan at that! Don't know why it's so difficult for saints fans to see, after the quality play Gaskell has put in. The personal comments are disrespectful and pathetic. I think most people on here don't get rugby, with the crass comments. Could go on and on listing his qualities and attributes but would sooner watch them unfold over his long and fruitful career as a profesional rugby player.
It would be fantastic if Wheeler stays fit and is in the squad more, but come on, lets show some respect, whilst it's ok debating and discussing players, some of the stuff on here needs reining in. Gaskell and Wheeler are mates on and off the field, and I'm sure wish each other well, they certainly wouldn't be coming on here!
Unfortunately, what we have in the team, doesn't seem to transfer to some supporters. If you still can't work it out, it's loyalty and respect. Another rant, but hey, came on here after 'a certain other site' was full of **** and it's disappointing to say the least when reading some posters crap. Here's the link:
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=510409
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Saints fans need to step up to the mark. This is what's said about our half back partnership by other fans, Wigan at that! Don't know why it's so difficult for saints fans to see, after the quality play Gaskell has put in. The personal comments are disrespectful and pathetic. I think most people on here don't get rugby, with the crass comments. Could go on and on listing his qualities and attributes but would sooner watch them unfold over his long and fruitful career as a profesional rugby player.
It would be fantastic if Wheeler stays fit and is in the squad more, but come on, lets show some respect, whilst it's ok debating and discussing players, some of the stuff on here needs reining in. Gaskell and Wheeler are mates on and off the field, and I'm sure wish each other well, they certainly wouldn't be coming on here!
Unfortunately, what we have in the team, doesn't seem to transfer to some supporters. If you still can't work it out, it's loyalty and respect. Another rant, but hey, came on here after 'a certain other site' was full of **** and it's disappointing to say the least when reading some posters crap. Here's the link:
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=510409
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| Liking the combo names although I don't know how we've arrived at the mouthful that is Lomaskell when Gasmax is a lot easier
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| Quote: Tiptop Saint "Saints fans need to step up to the mark. This is what's said about our half back partnership by other fans, Wigan at that! Don't know why it's so difficult for saints fans to see, after the quality play Gaskell has put in. The personal comments are disrespectful and pathetic. I think most people on here don't get rugby, with the crass comments. Could go on and on listing his qualities and attributes but would sooner watch them unfold over his long and fruitful career as a profesional rugby player.
It would be fantastic if Wheeler stays fit and is in the squad more, but come on, lets show some respect, whilst it's ok debating and discussing players, some of the stuff on here needs reining in. Gaskell and Wheeler are mates on and off the field, and I'm sure wish each other well, they certainly wouldn't be coming on here!
Unfortunately, what we have in the team, doesn't seem to transfer to some supporters. If you still can't work it out, it's loyalty and respect. Another rant, but hey, came on here after 'a certain other site' was full of **** and it's disappointing to say the least when reading some posters crap. Here's the link:
Back pedalling a bit there Lee! You can't make another account and get away with it, we know it's still you!
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