If we can sign Shenton, I can see him developing into a better player than he is now, it would be a similar scenario to when we first signed Martin Gleeson.

James Roby?

The new system is worse than the old one. If a player is truly outstanding, but an absolute 2 @, and a player who didn't perform as well but is liked and respected like a Morley or a Hodgson, who will win? It's nothing more than a glorified popularity contest now and the honour of winning it has diminished dramatically IMO.

*spits wine all over monitor*

Now that made me chortle.

That's a pretty fair summary, however, what it shows is that our best centres are all well past their best, Gidley, Gleeson and Senior are all 3-5 years past their best, the new crop of centres, like Shenton and Atkins are simply not at the races yet, adn the other names in the hat, like Carmont, are simply journey men who never have and never will be class centres. Sad to say that some of Saints top centre performances over the last couple of years have come from the likes of Flannery and Gilmour, memories of Gidley's golden touches are fading fast, and the likes of Talau, Lyon, and Newlove are now consigned to the history files.

No, the players player that year went to Trent Barrett.

Yeah I would agree with most of that!

sorry mate there are quite a few inaccuracies in this post. Gidley was well past playing for oz and nsw when you signed him, tony Carroll wasn't great for Leeds, he played his best rugby after that when he become an Aussie. as far as the opinions, as good as those centres were for leeds I don't think they were as good a senior! I still believe gleeson since leaving saints apart from the odd game has been bobins. Not counting the dozen+ games this season.

I'm not sure about that, he was excellent at times in a poor Dire team, as for his time at Wigan , for me he looks past his best but he's still very solid and sadly probably still one of the best English centre's around.

I'm open to your advice on the leeds players, you obviously saw a lot more of them than me.
My point about Gidley playing rep rugby was to point out that he did come at the end of a very illustrious career, not particulary to demonstrate his current talent.
The Gleeson one I will disagree with you on though. He may not have been consistant, but I saw him look very good for Wire enought times to convince me that he still had [iit[/i.

Gleeson is still a talented player but has been distracted by off field recreational activities too much to ever realise his full potential. He's still good, but you can watch him for a month and he'll do absolutely nothing. He's not a player opposition fans fear and he's not a threat anymore.

Let's look at the facts. Barrett was walking away with MOS when he went AWOL in the 24-37 Challenge Cup defeat to Catalans. THAT was his chance to shine. He blew it.

Roby didn't.

sportal.co.nz/league-news-displa ... cted-91115 Josh Perry should admit to coming to Saints after the Origin games?

sportal.co.nz/league-news-displa ... cted-91115 Josh Perry should admit to coming to Saints after the Origin games?

i just get story not found, what's the gist?

Click on that link and the story is under latest news on the right.