I disagree actually. As I posted earlier today, everything wrong is easily fixable, it just takes structure from the coaching staff.

Amor and Walmsley are good starting props, who got completely snuffed out by us barely touching the ball in the first 20, owing to the annoyingly predictable first carry knock on, and the "touched in flight even though there is no deviation of it's flight" drop out. Masoe, whilst having a poor game today has been improving, and is a good sub for walmsley. The problem comes when Amor comes off. Laffranchi is okay at holding off the opposition whilst Amor is off, hopefully we will get someone better next year. Richards has impressed me, and would be my 5th choice prop next year. Too much too soon now though.

Our biggest problem is the back row. We need to stop acting like lock and second row are the same. Declare lms and Wilkin our lock options, and no one else plays there! (We've already had this conversation) - reading redvee, people are saying Wilkin wants to play 6 now?

The rest is in the previous convo - but easily fixable.

None!

Walker, Thompson and Richards before him.


I also think it's time Greenwood got a extended run starting at second row.

Agree entirely about greenwood. Him and soliola would be my starting second rowers. Manu or Savelio as impact second rowers on the bench.

Not convinced by walker, seems like another clough, and I don't think he's the player to influence a big game. Richards and Thompson are, but too young to play week in week out. There's an argument for them to share the role, but then brown would get complaints about tinkering again - laffranchi is a better, stable option.

It's surprising how much we've missed Manu for a player who's been out of form.

Manu brings defence and also go forward so he's effectively our best all round Backrow. He's also tough and never takes a back step.

Greenwood had improved this year. He's gone stronger and given good ball will bust tackles.

Wilkin has decided he wants to be a stand off now and it shows. He's told Brown the same, and its upsetting others take from that What you Will.

I think we've missed the threat of Manu as much as we've physically missed his contribution. A big player whose capable of playing wide of the ruck, and get a role on and have opposition scrambling is something were missing right now. Savelio could be a great replacement, but I don't know if he has the fitness, and lateral footwork in defence to play wide yet.

Amor Roby Walmsley
Soliola Greenwood
Wilkin

Masoe Laffranchi Manu Wellens

Would be my revised starting line up when fully fit. Lms replacing Wilkin if he remains playing poorly (eventually one of their forms has to pick up) - Richards and Savelio being first reserves.

Really. How, do you know this for sure?

Was Hohaia injured today? Fed up to the back teeth of half d half back pairings. No wonder Walsh is knackered. He is the only one with any nous. Target him and we are done. Need to give Hohaia an extended run to form a partnership. We badly need a 2nd hooker too. Roby is being run into the ground.

He is injured. I was told the team Thursday and he was in at 6 so must have picked it up in training.

Let's be honest, we knew that stand off was going to be a problem before a ball was kicked. Walsh IMO looks to good for saints.

We are asking to much of Walsh IMO and I posted this before the season. He's our ball player, he's our general to lead us round the park, he's a field kicker, he's our goal kicker, it's to much for him.

Teams only need to take Walsh out the game and we've lost our attack and organisation and it's clear teams are targeting with spot plays.

I'm sorry but for me I'd be dropping some of those big names.

Wellens earned his shirt for me after the Cas and Leeds games. But since then???? I've not really noticed him.

Wilkin taking out yesterday when he played at 6. Can't say I've been that amazed.

LMS prop or backrower? To me in both positions he lacks something. Was great when playing for his contract, but has now reverted to previous.

For the next 4 or 5 games

Amor Roby Laffranchi
Sia Manu
Savelio

Bench: Lance (interchange hooker and by god does Roby need one)
Masoe, Walmsley, Greenwood

If someone is injured, then replace with a youth player or Flanagan in the back row.

But for me there is little room for some old names who have been part of a team on the slide for the past few years. The team has improved this year, but they have not.

I'm assuming Laffranchi, Amor and Manu

So Greenwood for Amor, Flanagan for Manu, Walker for Laffranchi, Thompson or Richards to take Greenwoods bench spot.

Playing LMS because he fills a shirt does nothing for me.

But that would be my starting line up if they were all fit.

Masoe, so disappointing, his tackling at times is poor, he takes the ball virtually at standing pace, never runs on to it, still does not look fit, and I still think Walmsley is weak, yes he has a heart, but he still does not look Super League standard.

???
are you mad?

8.67 mtrs/carry for the season,
ahead of
Peacock 6.58
Every forward at Wigan
Every forward at Wire
Every forward at Cas
Every forward at Hudds
etc, etc

yeap, really weak

Yet again you make yourself look like a clueless fool with comments like this.