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He's only had 2 games against the 2 top teams so far so I wouldn't expect him to do anything special' its a bit to early to write him off....that's Saddened job anyway.

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Quote: Saddened! "He needs to be used sparingly. He can't defend for toffee, he didn't even know where he should stand when the Cas centre waltzed in early doors.'"


Harsh. Left on his own against three attackers with players clustered under the post
and not numbering up. Apert from that he did ok.

The pack bar Sia and Walmsley were AWOL and awful in the first half.

That said Jones did really well in the second half.

Still plenty of mistakes in the second half but Wellens provided an extra half and everybody started to pull their
finger out.

LMS and Wilkin were real playboys in the first half and shown up for it.

Finishes from swift and makinson were really special.

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Ahh Tesco Building St Helens & Warrington's future Destroying Wigans past "Viva Ben Flower, Viva Ben Flower, could have won the cup but you Messed it up Viva Ben Flower":



Dawson never a centre but there is talent there just needs time

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Worst centre on the pitch was Jordan Turner. Absolutely pathetic game from him and if he carries that performance on, he should be shipped out on dual reg. I'm critical because Jordan is usually consistent in his performances, however he was dreadful tonight.

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We certainly looked more dangerous with Jones at centre over Dawson. Dawson's carries are good out of dummy half but I haven't been impressed by him in any other facet of his game. In his limited game time so far, may I add.

Jones' work rate in defence is great at 13, but with Wilkin there too it seems unnecessary. Jones to play centre next week 100% for me

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Quote: LFC Saint "Worst centre on the pitch was Jordan Turner. Absolutely pathetic game from him and if he carries that performance on, he should be shipped out on dual reg. I'm critical because Jordan is usually consistent in his performances, however he was dreadful tonight.'"


When he was bad, he was very bad (especially in the first half) but I think he did well to not let his head drop, and kept trying to supply makinson (it's a difficult thing when ball keeps going to ground, to keep throwing those passes)

A better performance needed next week for sure - but I wouldn't be overly critical.

He was better than Manu in the first half!

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Quote: LFC Saint "Worst centre on the pitch was Jordan Turner. Absolutely pathetic game from him and if he carries that performance on, he should be shipped out on dual reg. I'm critical because Jordan is usually consistent in his performances, however he was dreadful tonight.'"


exactly.Turner put in a car crash of a performance.

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Quote: Saint from Prestwich "exactly.Turner put in a car crash of a performance.'"


I've never rated him. He does come up with some decent stuff to put the winger in, but he's so prone to errors and should be far more of a threat than he is.

Cas had some reshuffle in the second half though. Having watched some of it back, they had Mariano on the wing. He's a prop isn't he?

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Quote: Saddened! "I've never rated him. He does come up with some decent stuff to put the winger in, but he's so prone to errors and should be far more of a threat than he is.

Cas had some reshuffle in the second half though. Having watched some of it back, they had Mariano on the wing. He's a prop isn't he?'"


Mariano went to wing when Dorn went off after 70 minutes or so and Clare went to full back. Mariano is a second rower I think.

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75th minute Dorn went off. Mariano is a back turned forward. Bit like Chris Dean.

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Quote: LFC Saint "75th minute Dorn went off. Mariano is a back turned forward. Bit like Chris Dean.'"


It was a little later than that, as it was during the drop out play on 77 minutes. We were like a moth to the flame in exploiting it though which was a very positive thing imo.

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All seems very harsh on a fella who has played 2 games. He's a 4th choice centre 3rd choice winger. Lets not expect the same from him as we would from our top players. He's had a rude awakening tonight, I'm sure he does not need people shipping him here there and everywhere.

In fact Saints need him very much at the club, it is the Easter period, he will get another game.

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What had happened to Manu, looked a shadow of his former self, twice last night he got dominated one on one in the tackle, never would have happen two years ago, he would have shrugged them both off.

Is age getting the better of him?

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Quote: Dave K. "What had happened to Manu, looked a shadow of his former self, twice last night he got dominated one on one in the tackle, never would have happen two years ago, he would have shrugged them both off.

Is age getting the better of him?'"



Like it does with us all.


We might need two second rows next year if sia goes icon_wink.gif icon_biggrin.gifRUNK:

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Quote: St pete "Like it does with us all.


We might need two second rows next year if sia goes

He might change his mind but if he doesnt I'd be inclined to bring in 1 quality back row to replace both and use the young lads who are impressing every week.

Back on Dawson I'm sure he'll be fine providing cover on the wing but I sincerely hope we dont see him in the centre's again anytime soon

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