No, I just think having Shenton around might not be a bad idea. He's not a bad player by any means. Turner looks a decent player, but in reality he's not proven himself to be any better than Shenton. A lot of Saints fans are judging him on his gallop against us and he hasn't been getting positive reviews for his performances until this season and his defense seems to be a major issue.

We'll go into next season with Wellens at fullback no doubt. The club has shown no willingness to move him so far, so unless Brown has stated his desire to move him out, he'll be at fullback. Makinson, decent player though he is, doesn't score enough or do enough individually, nor do Josh Jones or Gary Wheeler who look set for the other centre spot (Jones no doubt winning that battle quite easily). We'll also be stuck with the same halves we have this season, unless the club can pull something out of the bag with Lance's P45.

It's not a 'bad' backline, but compared to the likes of Leeds, Wigan, Wire and Huddersfield it's definitely lacking.

I think it makes real sense. Turner has only been playing centre for a couple of years, so it's no surprise that he's taken some time to hit the mark defensively, but he's looked good whenever I've seen him play this year, not just against us. I'm under no illusion that he is the finished article, but he represents a strike threat, which is something we sorely lack. Turner may not have yet proven himself to be better than Shenton, but he is young, is still learning, and, importantly, has the raw athleticism which Shenton lacks. Conversely, Shenton has proven himself not to be the test-standard player we paid for. I reckon if we pull this off we'll be getting a potentially much better player for quite a bit less money.

If Shenton does go then that's great for him (as he's been average here) and the club (opens up a huge chunk of the SC)

2. Gardner
3. Turner
4. Jones/Wheeler
5. Makinson/Swift

I think there's a lot of potential there for Brown to work with. If you looked at Hudds back-line before Brown came people were saying that it was average, but it had potential. This 3/4 has a lot of potential IMO.

What has Turner actually shown? has had some decent games this year for them but in the previous 2 seasons has been very poor.

He's shown great potential this season under a good coach

Unlike Welham who, of course, is the player that everyone is chasing.

I'd love to know the thought processes at Hull KR which led to the suggestion that [i"Shenton is just the player we need to move forward!".
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indeed. even more baffling that he isnt off contract, and they are having to go through protracted negotiations to get him.

Expensive mistake from Saints, but looks like costing us even more money to get him off the books. Is he really that ineffective that it is worth paying him upwards of £20/30k to go away?

Shenton will end up back at Cas.

Probably another £65-75k on the cap for us to spend swopping Shenton on £135k for Turner on probably £60-70k.

Add on what we are paying Perry, Hohaia, Wellens, Flannery and Meli when they are sent on their way we probably could afford a few quality backs.

Eventually but only once he has done the rounds and no one else wants him like Danny Orr.

I'd like to think that Saints would not pay any severance package to Shenton for him to go.

Could be tricky if he is on mega coin as he'll want to use that to his advantage, but would the player rather move on and play at a new club or sit in the stands for the season?

Sitting on a 6 figure salary may persuade him to sit on it though!

It is no-one best interests to have him sat in the stands at Langtree Park for a year, least of all his own in the World Cup year, but he has a contract for 3 years at £135k (apparently), if he goes to earn £75k at Hull KR, he is £60k down on his career earnings. No doubt they will come to some agreement to split the difference.

Why would you take that stance? He's a player who we cannot question in terms of effort or commitment. He suffered a very serious injury playing for us in the Grand Final, a game in which he played really well. If the club has decided to call time on his stint with us and is offering him round to other clubs, I'd be expecting them to pay him compsensation if the deal he moves to isn't as lucrative as his current Saints deal.

I understand that, but you pick a team on form rather than on how much money they earn. Shenton's form doesn't deserve a spot on the team atm, and if Turner comes in then he will fall further down the pecking order if his poor form continues.