How many of Owens 64 games was at super league level?

It's quite possible Cunningham thinks similarly about Owens and chose not to select Fages precisely because playing two new recruits at the same time is a risk he's not prepared to take.

Without Cunningham's side of the story we're just speculating. And he isn't talking.

Good question....

He made his debut as a 16 year old in 2011, and Widnes have been in SL since 2012 - so I presume the vast majority have been at SL level.

You really do talk rubbish,it's all superleague experience,doesn't matter who it's for, it's against the same teams we play.

When you get out of bed in a morning do you need written instructions telling you how to put one foot in front of the other? The important point here is NOT the fact that at Salford he's playing against exactly the same group of teams (except Salford) as he would be here. It's that he's doing so within Salford's frame of reference - which since I can remember has been one long chain of miserable failures stretching back decades.

Players routinely talk about a change in "mindset" when moving from less successful clubs to Saints or Leeds or Wigan etc. So even though they are still playing against the same teams - they are doing so with a fundamentally different appreciation of what is required of them.

Some players can handle this step up. Others can't. Good examples are Michael Shenton & Danny Orr. Two uncultured barbarians from Castleford who looked to be SL bigshots until they arrived at St. Helens and Wigan respectively where they couldn't cope with interior toilets, running water and quilted toilet paper.

Proper LOL at that

Jesus I've read some rubbish in my time on here but some posts on this thread are embarrassing

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Hmmmmm I can see them now having to go into Carr Mill Woods or Haigh Hall Woods with there own supply of "John Wayne" toilet paper from the grocery shop in the "Last of the Summer Wine" livery.


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This forum reads like the Wire one in the final days of Cullen as slowly but surely more people come round to the view that the Coach isn't up to the job but some stubbornly cling on... I was a clinger, but not an apologist....

If this phenomenon didn't exist we wouldn't have invented terms such as "Small Town Player".

If I was him I'd think that I'd made a big mistake.

No playing time and if he ever does get a shirt his game will be heavily restricted