Whatever the team is I just hope the put some pride back in the V. We've been so weak this season against the big teams and haven't put up a fight at all. Whenever it's got tough we've looked to each other to do something and folded.

I don't care if we win today, I just want them to give it a shot. Make them bleed, make them earn every one of their points, make them earn every metre. Stand up to them physically and play as a team and show some heart for once.

You should be a motivational speaker, Saddened!

So we didn't put up a fight at the DW?

No. Look at the capitulation in the last few minutes. Falling over themselves in attack and so, so weak in defense. No composure at all and 13 players stood waiting for someone else to do the tackling.

Absolute nonsense, one of the worst posts I have seen lately.
We fought back from 12 points down with a completely patched up side against the champion side in their own backyard. It took them until the final play of the game to beat us. Surely, even in your warped mind, that constitutes "putting up a fight."

Yeah they did great for 78 minutes. Then turned into jellyfish. Do you want me to change my original post to say 'apart from the DW game'?

If you wish, and in doing so you will be admitting that your original post was wrong?

can i be pedantic too saddened as its D E F E N C E not D E F E N S E .
cheers mate.

Exactly the reason I can't often agree with Saddened. Far too critical of his side. The effort that day from Saints was outstanding. Trying to hang on at the end after such an effort was a massive ask. There was no 'jellyfish' syndrome. It was just complete and utter fatigue, and justified fatigue too.

Then again, and don't take this the wrong way, but I'd wager that a large quantity of Saints 'supporters' are glory hunters. Ie, the moment things aren't running like clock work, or the salary cap is finally tightening up the competition, the fact that your club isn't having things all their own way means that the majority of the squad are immediately not up to the job.

When Man Utd lost the title in the 09/10 season, all you heard spill out of their supporter's mouths were notions that 'he wasn't good enough', 'team needs a complete makeover' etc etc etc. Yet ironically, almost the very same group of players go onto regain the Premier League title and get to the CL final within the next 12 months.

I agree, to a certain extent.
Firstly, may I point out that I attended my first Saints games in the late 80's, so there is certainly no glory hunting with me!

I am not sure I would use the term glory hunter for what you are describing. I agree though that the expectations of some fans is perhaps a bit misguided, in that they demand success and cannot accept that you cant win everything, every season. Also, the reaction to the defeat against Wigan was completely ridiculous by some people. The amount of negativity that was spouted was laughable, given that only a fortnight earlier the same people were creaming themselves over the win against Leeds.

As for Saddened, I am slowly realising that most of his posts are an attempt at getting a reaction, as I dont believe anybody could have such a depressing outlook on his/her own team. You are spot on about what you have said with regards to the game at DW earlier in the season. I felt nothing but pride in our performance that day. To criticise us for that is simply idiotic.