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| Quote: mark_m "Graham will be in a Warrington shirt next season to replace Morley who is off to Salford. Will you all be booing him now?'"
7/10. Obvious, but not bad.
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| Quote: St pete "So you'd be happy for him to go Wigan?
At least he'll still be in rugby league.
I wouldn't be happy for him to go anywere to be honest, but thats just me, and us, having unrelalistic expectations of our Sports PROFESSIONALS loyalty.
If Saints cannot offer him the contract he wants but Wigan (to take your example) can then that indeed would sting a little, but whos fault would that be? Certainly not the player's fault.
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| Quote: The Jamster "I wouldn't be happy for him to go anywere to be honest, but thats just me, and us, having unrelalistic expectations of our Sports PROFESSIONALS loyalty.
If Saints cannot offer him the contract he wants but Wigan (to take your example) can then that indeed would sting a little, but whos fault would that be? Certainly not the player's fault.'"
It's certainly not the players fault and is that the same with eastmond then?
Nobody can ever blame for taking the money as players only have 10/12 years to earn good money but let's treat all the players the same who decide to follow the pound signs!
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| Quote: St pete "It's certainly not the players fault and is that the same with eastmond then?
Nobody can ever blame for taking the money as players only have 10/12 years to earn good money but let's treat all the players the same who decide to follow the pound signs!'"
Which takes me back to my first point that although i do treat all Rugby Legaue players who 'follow the pound' the same, Eastmond will not be a RL player come season end, therefore I and clearly alot of other fans are treating him differently.
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| Eastmond is leaving the club, and the sport, that has nurtured his talents from the age of 11, to join a sport that spent the best part of a century trying to destroy RL.
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| I'm not sure if it's the fact Kyle is leaving for Union that is the issue for alot of Saints fans... I think it's more his attitude of late that has turned them against him (or at least reduced their respect for him).
I don't dislike any player for trying to better their career, of course it's a great loss for rugby league - but there will be more, and no doubt better, Kyle Eastmonds.
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| Quote: St pete "Graham has earned the respect of the fans but that shouldn't effect the way we treat him. He's done the same thing Kyle has done and not yet come out and said he wants to stay.
To say he's earned his rite to leave and join Wigan IMO is weird but I've known weirder.
On another note, I respect any decision they both make, if Kyle can make a better life for himself by going to union then I wish him all the best. He's here to make a living and same goes for jammer but to boo one player and cheer the other is weird but I've known weirder.'"
I agree with you.
I would go further than you: why should we be saying that its fine for our captain to be non-committal to staying with us - even though he is no doubt be one of our top earners?
If he shows no loyalty to us, how can he expect loyalty to him?
I think he owes the club more than vice versa. The only difference is that he is handling himself with a bit more dignity than eastmond.
Also, going to the NRL somehow makes everything OK because he isn't going to the goons or dire? How twisted is that?
Remember gary connelly how he was treated AFTER he went. The same would happen to jammer regardless of what people may say now..
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| Quote: saint at wire "I agree with you.
I would go further than you
Loyalty from whom? The players? There isn't a man at the club who wouldn't take Graham into the trenches with him. If you mean the fans then maybe it's a good thing for the club to go through an extended period of mediocrity if it purges the terraces of glory-hunting "supporters" who, in a heartbeat, will turn on one of the finest servants St. Helens has seen in its history. Please, feel free to boo Jammer if he does decide to leave. Do it nice and loud in a the busiest part of the stand.
Quote: saint at wire "Remember gary connelly how he was treated AFTER he went. The same would happen to jammer regardless of what people may say now..'"
Connolly, like Eastmond, promised more than he'd achieved when he left the club. A better comparison would be Millward, who, because of his genius, results, relationship with the fans and comedy antics, is still widely loved by St. Helens supporters.
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| Quote: saint at wire "I agree with you.
I would go further than you
I agree, they have both done/doing sane thing so treat jammer in the same way you treat eastmond.
The seems to be little vendetta against Kyle and everyone is jumping on the band wagon with the campaign of hate but he's done nothing different than jammer.
In fact jammer has kissed the badge and spoke of his love of saints yet this love for the club ain't made him sign a new deal.
IMO it's a strange and twisted hate campaign towards Kyle but some weird love for our capatain, leader, best player who loves the club, kissed the badge but has spoke to a number of NRL clubs but won't sign.
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| Quote: .Alice. "I'm not sure if it's the fact Kyle is leaving for Union that is the issue for alot of Saints fans... I think it's more his attitude of late that has turned them against him (or at least reduced their respect for him). '"
Spot on. It began with *ding* round two of Kyle Loves Himself when he instructed his agent to go to the press about how he wants to play for a Union team right up to *ding* round fifty five of Kyle Loves Himself when he was interviewed by Granada Reports about how he will give Saints 100% until he goes to The Bigger Sport.
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| Quote: Mugwump "saint at wire wrote
Quote: Mugwump "Loyalty from whom? The players? There isn't a man at the club who wouldn't take Graham into the trenches with him. If you mean the fans then maybe it's a good thing for the club to go through an extended period of mediocrity if it purges the terraces of glory-hunting "supporters" who, in a heartbeat, will turn on one of the finest servants St. Helens has seen in its history. Please, feel free to boo Jammer if he does decide to leave. Do it nice and loud in a the busiest part of the stand.
Connolly, like Eastmond, promised more than he'd achieved when he left the club. A better comparison would be Millward, who, because of his genius, results, relationship with the fans and comedy antics, is still widely loved by St. Helens supporters.'"
Firstly, I've never booed either of them and take exception that you imply that I have.
Secondly, I mean loyalty to the club that brought him through the ranks. loyalty goes two way you know?
Thirdly I am a massive fan of Jammer who is undoubtely one of the best props in the world. I still fail to see how why he should get special dispensation.
Fourthly. Your comparison is not valid - Millward did not leave on his own accord though greed. Connelly, Eastmond did and possibly Jammer might.
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| I'm a realist, so if people get a better offer, because of money or oppotunity, I can accept that. I can even swallow a young star being poached off us after we'd created the player before he shows a decent retun, that's life and the system that yeilded him will give us plenty more in the future.
What I cannot stand is the attitide he's shown in interveiws since he signed, betlittling the establishment that made him and are due to be paying his wages for the next 6 months, playing half hearted, which he seems to be doing, taking little care not to crate a media circus which will obviously disrupt the squad and then (allegedly) giving rude gestures to the crowd when they take exception to the above.
If Kyle had talked to other clubs descreatly (which initially I think he did), then released a statement saying he was leaving thank's to a great oppotunity, then went about his business like we've seen him do in the past (and indeed show some of the form that has won him the union contact), then come the end of the season I'd wish him well. What's happened in the last few weeks though has made him appear to be completely disrepectful of the club that's made him, as well as the supporters and team members.
And do you know what? Despite his skills, I don't think Martin Johnson wants a 5ft4" winger playing for england, especially one who'll cry his eyes out when ever some one steps on him in a ruck. I'm sure he'll have plenty of success in club RU, but I hope he likes standing round on cold January nights when he'll only get the ball 3 times a game.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Kyle.
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| Talking to a player this morning at local u12s game and he told me that eastmond made a money gesture to crowd to imply he's going for very good money.
IMO that's not acceptable by a player and if true should be dealt with!
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| The kid just isnt helping himself (or the team) i'll be very surprised if he finishes the season with us
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| Quote: Saint Simon "The kid just isnt helping himself (or the team) i'll be very surprised if he finishes the season with us'"
He's acting like a litle kid! (if true but can't see a player saying it if not true)
To be honest I don't blame him or any other player going for better money as they need to make as much as possible as they only have aprox 10yrs playing but to rub it in the face of the fans who pay to watch him that pays his wages is not acceptable and should be dealt with.
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