The other difference is they have a coach with a brain in his head who can articulate himself properly. That matters.

Friday should be "interesting".
Two teams without a creative bone in their bodies.
Who's going to barge their way to victory ?

Also sorted the defence out for the second half, Saints failed to get a point.

Thought the players showed tremendous effort - especially in the forwards. But aside from Walsh's odd forays with the ball and Roby we were utterly toothless in possession - not to mention as dumb as a rock.

I don't think the situation is anywhere near as dire as people are suggesting. We definitely lack depth of quality in the backs. But add a recovered Lomax, Percival, Swift and possibly Fages to the side which played last night and there's plenty of cutting edge to go with the effort.

Probably Wigan or Wire for top spot with Saints 3rd , anyones guess for who will get the 4th position

I think Warrington will have big year this season. Bought very well and have good depth in the squad. Wigan haven't played well this year but I think will come good as per usual. I can't see past those two.

I think we will struggle for top 4 this year tbh

It's a long, long, long season. Last season Leeds were fitter and more up for it than I've ever seen. By the last month of the season we were on our knees. Crawling to the finish line. Yes bully for warrington, they had a longer pre-season and have hit the ground at speed. Fast forward, say sandow picks up a knock, they're off their game and lose one, it's the end of the season and results have levelled out, they are feeling the aches far more and suddenly have an away trip to saints who have won 4 on the bounce and are hungry for blood, how do they go then?

Putting 50 on Cas when they've bent over and got the lube out in preperation for a cup final next week is neither here nor there. As always the true test will come for them when things are hard, not easy.

So Wigan are but they'll come good!
We're and we've no chance.

Go and watch netball you muppet!!!!!!!!!

More idiotic name calling on a forum. If you want to call me names, I'll see you good Friday and do it to my face mate. That's if you bother to go the games as you admit you don't go.

Wigan have better players than us. They are better coached than us and that's my reason I think they will come good mate.

Just pm me Mate about good Friday and I'll hopefully see you at Langtree. I'm not holding my breath as your a keyboard Warrior wirh no guts.

You a man or a muppet?

James Roby !

We run him into the ground so it's hard for him to be our strike player but he's a really important player for us. Take Robes and big Alex out the team and we in big trouble.

Agree robes is flogged too much too be a strike player anymore

Here we go again. THREATS. If you don't agree with me I'll see you behind the bike sheds. How old are you?

Wigan don't have better players than us.
They are definitely not better coached than us (Shaun Wane is still using McGuire's tactics from 4 years ago)

I'm sorry I called you a muppet as it seemed to offend you. Trouble is you make it hard for me not to think it.

I would be interested to see on a comparative list just who you think is better in the Wigan 17 than ours. Subjective I know, but interesting!

I don't make threats but of you call me names then you better have bottle to back it up.

Tomkins, manfradi, charnley, Gelling, sargison, Williams, flower, farrel, Tomkins amd lockers would walk into our team and the likes of Smith, mental mickey, probably would.

Wane ain't done to bad since maguire left considering the players he lost like sam Tomkins, lulu, finch, Blake Green plus others.

So Tomkins at fullback Vs Lomax. Possible given johnny's injury. Tomkins wont be the same player after his injury.
Both wingers - sorry not having that.
Brainfart Gelling. - now I know you're having a laugh. My centres are Percy and Peyroux. Turner is still better than either of theirs.
Sarginson not as good as any above.
Williams - OK
Flower.
Farrell - close but i'd rather have savelio.
J Tomkins -
O'Loughlin - you're lucky if he plays these days.

The only thing wrong with our squad is the Safety first coaching. KC should let them off the lead. All those players are so much better than they are showing at present. With Daryl Powell coaching them they would be walking through this league this year. far too much negative play making the players look nervous in possession.