I don't know why you should think that all the so called top clubs have come back into the pack also form in the first month of the season has no reflection on the spoils at the end of the season. Roby wasn't fit enough to play 80 mins, if he had we might have started a bit better and put 40 points on your team, we will just take it as a dodgy win and not a quality win because both are still worth 2 points.

Quick ball is indeed important to Luke Walsh as it helps him stay even further away from the defensive line he is terrified of.

One of the softest players I've ever seen. And I don't buy the argument that 7s don't have to ever take the line on, because good ones do or everything is too predictable. How many times did Thurston take the ball into contact last weekend? I'd venture it was 10+

With their 17, and then losing Albert Kelly, we'd have done well to have lost last night.

I found the team bizzare. Bringing in Greenwood and putting Turner in the centres for the Roosters game, the best team we will play all year, to then change both the week later just seemed crazy. Turner is an okay runner, can boot the ball downfield but his passing with anything over 2 yards is embarrassing. Dawson had a good go but KC needs to swallow his pride and get Turner back at centre and Fages or Burns at 6.

With the ball in hand i thought we were okay. In the first half despite the scoreline we seemed almost ambitious with the ball at one point which made me uncomfortable as i wasnt used to it. Second half we steamrolled them in the forwards and Roby brought out the best in those around him. I have no problem playing the type of forward game we played in that second half as it was effective and well carried out, we even ran in pairs!

The defence throughout was a farce really. Wilkin missing 6 tackles, Peyroux 5 and Vea 5 or 6 (haven't got the stats up at the minute). Kelly looked like opening us up at will and we'd of struggled if he'd of stayed on.

I thought in terms of positives the back 3 were excellent. All made decent metres (166 from swift!) and all got at least a try or an assist (Makinson andd SMD with both). Walmsley and Amor brilliant as ever.

Defence needs to be miles better for next week but that's 2 points we haven't had for years. Hopefully the defence tightens up next week the attack keeps improving as i believe last night was slightly better.

I don't think you are being fair to the guy. When he arrived and before he got injured Walsh had no problems with taking on the line. Since he's been unwilling to get caught in possession with the ball.

But that's perfectly understandable given the terrible injury he sustained. The human brain has a tendency to remember agonizing pain and encourages us to avoid it in the future. It's a survival instinct which is pre-programmed into if not all living species then certainly human beings.

At the back end of last season I was scathing of Walsh's defence. It really was terrible. Since then I think he's worked hard at his game and he's nowhere near the liability he was back then.

But it takes TIME to get over these things. Lots of it. Walsh might not be at 100% effectiveness but he's at least showing signs of going in the right direction. Cut the guy some slack.

In an attempt to make yourself sound intelligent and knowledgable with your comments about the human brain and "survival instinct" you are actually making yourself sound ridiculous.

I personally endured the exact same injury as Walsh once upon a time and I went on to play for years afterwards, not once shirking the responsibility to take the ball in and get hit. Before you think about mentioning the difference in playing standard, that's completely irrelevant seeing as it's supposedly "survival instinct" programmed into all humans.

There have been countless professionals who have broken arms and legs within a contact sport such as football or rugby and gone on to play again without avoiding contact.

To suggest that Walsh is merely acting as a human being is programmed to is complete and utter nonsense. It's another example of your apologist nature over the last few weeks.

Stop making excuses for people and stop trying to ram your head in the sand naivety down our throats.

No doubt you'll respond one paragraph at a time with an array of long words and superfluous language, but it won't change the fact that you are talking garbage.

I actually came back from broken/dislocated ankle at the same time as Walsh did from his injury. Mine wasn't as bad as Walsh but I didn't play for 8 month with it so in my own way was in the same boat as Luke.

It took me a whole 5 mins to get back into it and Over the fear. I wing lie, I was crapping myself before the game but I just thought stuff it and took the ball in the first opportunity I got and then didn't look back.

On the contrary - there really is nothing to reply to. You are having a big baby spat over the fact that I pointed out a phenomenon whose demonstrable truth can be verified by the countless number of professional players in ALL sports who have talked at length about regaining confidence after a bad injury. The fact that Luke Walsh doesn't possess your Rambo-esque psychology proves little more than the fact that you aren't Luke Walsh. Who would have believed that?

How do I know Luke Walsh isn't just lazy instead? By the simple fact that he had no problems attacking the line BEFORE he got injured. Of course it's POSSIBLE he could have suddenly become lazy overnight for inexplicable reasons. But I think most people whose ears aren't separated by empty space will realise it isn't PROBABLE.

Now, you can stomp your feet and gnash your teeth and shout "Apologist" until you are blue in the face. None of these facts are going away. Personally I think your behavior is pretty comical. But maybe that's just my twisted sense of humour.

For what it's worth to you this is Rovers worst team in superleague with 3 forwards playing 6,7, and 9 for an hour and a host of others injured.
I watched the worst Saints team I've seen carried over the line by Roby. Terrible predictable attack, shocking marker defence I could go on.
Burns and Walsh look bad influences.
We will finish bottom 2.
You need to sort yourselves out or you'll challenge for nothing.

We won a Grand Final with a forward at 7, but that was only because the other forward who'd been playing 7 got injured

Good to see the usual brain dead penalties being conceded by the usual brain dead players too. LMS will be the death of my TV one day.

The word 'predictable' is best and most apt adjective that encapsulates everything DIRE about Saints at the moment.
Eminently unwatchable,the entertainers tab has never be so incongruous as it is now.
The current system makes Royce simmons look positivley flamboyent and debonair.

No doubt about, we are the worst team in super league to watch. It's so boring it's unreal and his excuse of the salary cap causing this is a joke. Hull, cas, Salford, Hull KR all supposed to be lower teams to us yet they play good rugby.

I just don't think KC has the experience or rugby brain to have us play free flowing rugby. Tbe only move we do is a drop off pass and that's dire for a pro club.

I'm already dreading his contract extension. He's absolutely stealing a living.

Any idea why we are not using Sean Long's attacking experience or is he in the "one for the future outsider camp" alongside Fages.