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| Quote: Itchy Arsenal "I haven't seen enough of SBW so can't comment but sorry can't agree on the rest.
Hock is a throwback and there are very few if any decent ball handlers playing in the forwards in S
L in my opinion. Today's coaches and fans just dont want someone who can create gaps but at the risk of loosing possession. Sad but true me thinks.
If you'd have said a player going back further say George Nicholls then ok but non of the present or recent crew.'"
It depends on your definition of ball handler. Wilkin has unbelievable hands for a forward and Sean O'Loughli is another I forgot.
If you're talking about hitting the line and offloading, which isn't really ball playing, then I'd narrow the list to SBW, Ellis, S Burgess who were all better at busting tackles and putting people away. All just opinions of course! |
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "It depends on your definition of ball handler. Wilkin has unbelievable hands for a forward and Sean O'Loughli is another I forgot.
If you're talking about hitting the line and offloading, which isn't really ball playing, then I'd narrow the list to SBW, Ellis, S Burgess who were all better at busting tackles and putting people away. All just opinions of course!'"
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "It depends on your definition of ball handler. Wilkin has unbelievable hands for a forward and Sean O'Loughli is another I forgot.
If you're talking about hitting the line and offloading, which isn't really ball playing, then I'd narrow the list to SBW, Ellis, S Burgess who were all better at busting tackles and putting people away. All just opinions of course!'"
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David Solomona was a belting ball handler and offloader.
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Wouldn't describe James Graham as a classic ball player yet Hock is the best ball handling forward of the past decade !
Wiganers. Brilliant.
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Back to Hock, there's an unbelievable stat (pointed out by Wigan fans) that is currently doing the rounds on Twitter. Since 2008 he has played 110 games and been banned for 102 (69 for the substance abuse ban, 33 for on-field incidents).
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Don't forget big Tony P. He had great off load game.
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| Quote: St pete "Don't forget big Tony P. He had great off load game.'"
I remember he threw one around the back of his head as he went down, hit the man perfectly. Great Player. |
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Ali Lauitiiti is another who back in his day was a fantastic ball player.
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So it's agreed Hock is not a ball playing forward, but a great offloader. However there are others around and have been around who did not bring the baggage of Hock.
Put it this way, would you take Hock today or Manu??
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Willie Manu is twice as fit as Hock despite being five or so years older.
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| Quote: Mugwump "Willie Manu is twice as fit as Hock despite being five or so years older.'"
Hock never gets the chance to be match fit due to his self infliction. |
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Quote: LFC Saint "Pond life. We should bring Keith Mason out of retirement for our return fixture at Langtree (for people that dont know Keith as threatened Hock quite a number of times on twitter and Hock Sh*tes himself).
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There's only one who does the running.
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Quote: LFC Saint "Pond life. We should bring Keith Mason out of retirement for our return fixture at Langtree (for people that dont know Keith as threatened Hock quite a number of times on twitter and Hock Sh*tes himself).
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There's only one who does the running.
www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/ ... -1-7111803 | |
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "There's only one who does the running.
How is that relevant?
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "How is that relevant?'"
Very much like the poster .. it isnt. Shame he's not banned here too |
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