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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "Eastmond showed better passing and kicking ability than Long did at the same age. Though given his injury record at the time, it's understandable that the club didn't give him a big contract.
In reality, we backed the wrong horses in Wheeler and Smith.'"
When he was young at Wigan Longy was an immense prospect but got set back by a bad knee injury , his behavior sealed his exit from Wigan rather than lack of talent. Eastmond showed immense promise but really went backwards in his last year at Saints, mainly I suspect because of attitude. At the end of the day he followed the money which is fair enough, it's a short career and Rugby players arnt on footballer salaries but his attitude and performances in that last season stank the place out.
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youtu.be/LtQWS2VrpqM
Eastmond gives a pass on this at 8:50 that Smith still couldn't throw now. This was his first game against Australia at the age of 20.
Smith isn't fit to lace Eastmond's boots. Never has been.
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youtu.be/LtQWS2VrpqM
Eastmond gives a pass on this at 8:50 that Smith still couldn't throw now. This was his first game against Australia at the age of 20.
Smith isn't fit to lace Eastmond's boots. Never has been.
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47035_1386433761.gif We can be bold enough to make a stand and do battle for our views and beliefs. But we must strive to be mature enough not to resort to unnecessary personal attacks upon people with opposing views.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_47035.gif |
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| Quote: SLS "youtu.be/LtQWS2VrpqM
Eastmond gives a pass on this at 8
It was a good pass, but cooke at hull used to do that pass week in week out
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| Eastmond is another level to smith. Simple as that
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| Quote: bewareshadows "It was a good pass, but cooke at hull used to do that pass week in week out'"
Maybe, but does Matty Smith.
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| Quote: SLS "youtu.be/LtQWS2VrpqM
Eastmond gives a pass on this at 8
Its a pass a 12 year old could do? am i missing something, or did u think nobody other than saints fans would check it?
The pass against samoa is 10x that pass and for all the world class arm chair scouts on here Andrew johns and Tim Sheens praised smith more than Widdop.
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44308_1279480467.gif Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -
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| Quote: dubairl "icon_lol.gif
I think comparing 12yr olds and 20yr old international players is a little stupid to be honest.
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| Quote: Twentyman "I'm sticking to my guns with this one
I have to agree, as you say its not a popular opinion, but i wish we'd have kept Matty, great player IMO
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Dwarfs, Gnomes, Halflings/GNOME2.JPG The new young dynasty of super saints is coming to a ground near you.
Welsby-Dodd-Simms-Eaves-Rizzelli, not Eastmond...the future is coming.:Dwarfs, Gnomes, Halflings/GNOME2.JPG |
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| I wish we could have kept Eastmond, it would have solved a lot of our problems at our club level and international level.
On the Smith/Eastmond debate we can say Smith is now a very good superleague player who has took 10 years to get an international cap, where Eastmond had far more potential proven by getting an international cap in 18 months.
Over the years saints half backs have seen them play "off the cuff" rugby to suit the clubs style of play, Smith didn't really have the skillset to fit into this category and seems to better in a structered side like Wigan.
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| The frustrating thing with Smith is not that we favoured Eastmond ahead of him. Eastmond was clearly the better prospect and I feel pretty sure that he'd be one of the best scrum halves in world rugby league had he stuck around. It's unfortunate that he didn't, but such is life.
The frustrating thing is that we binned Smith off while Scott Moore was still at the club. Smith could have done a good job of the back up half/hooker role that Moore was playing at the time, and then when Eastmond jumped ship we would have had a replacement already at the club. Instead we were lumbered with a brainless hooker/loose forward who spent the next few years either out on loan or giving away penalties in big matches.
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| Quote: Dux "The frustrating thing with Smith is not that we favoured Eastmond ahead of him. Eastmond was clearly the better prospect and I feel pretty sure that he'd be one of the best scrum halves in world rugby league had he stuck around. It's unfortunate that he didn't, but such is life.
The frustrating thing is that we binned Smith off while Scott Moore was still at the club. Smith could have done a good job of the back up half/hooker role that Moore was playing at the time, and then when Eastmond jumped ship we would have had a replacement already at the club. Instead we were lumbered with a brainless hooker/loose forward who spent the next few years either out on loan or giving away penalties in big matches.'"
I think thats a good call tbh. The problem we had was we just didnt think through the contract / recruitment situation properly. Letting Smith go and keeping Moore but also only having Eastmond on a short term deal was utterly stupid.
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| Quote: dubairl "icon_lol.gif
You think 12 years olds are throwing 10/15m passes to their wrong side perfectly in step for their outside backs ? Considering barely any British halves, Smith included, are even capable of providing quick and accurate passes to their wrong side at all, you're very wrong.
So, I'll surmise you're either an upset mug because 'dat norty man sed bad fings about de Wigun pwayer' or you're an idiot. Since I've checked and you're a daft Wigan fan, I'll conclude that you're both.
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| Quote: No1 Saint "I think thats a good call tbh. The problem we had was we just didnt think through the contract / recruitment situation properly. Letting Smith go and keeping Moore but also only having Eastmond on a short term deal was utterly stupid.'"
I think the only feasible explanation for the Eastmond 1 year deal was that he had basically said 'it's one year or nothing'. In that situation I can see why Saints gave him the deal, no doubt in the hope that they could free up some cap space and make him a bigger offer the following year. In hindsight we'd have been better off cutting our losses at that point and looking for a permanent replacement, but that would have been a massive call to make at the time.
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| Quote: Judder Man "I wish we could have kept Eastmond, it would have solved a lot of our problems at our club level and international level.
On the Smith/Eastmond debate we can say Smith is now a very good superleague player who has took 10 years to get an international cap, where Eastmond had far more potential proven by getting an international cap in 18 months.
Over the years saints half backs have seen them play "off the cuff" rugby to suit the clubs style of play, Smith didn't really have the skillset to fit into this category and seems to better in a structered side like Wigan.'"
Every top quality side is structured. Off the cuff rugby grows off the back of a solid structure. It comes from doing the simple things right.
I feel that if we'd invested in Smith, he'd have won his 1st England cap years back.
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44308_1279480467.gif Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -
"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"
Utter disgusting abusive remark from a keyboard warrior:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44308.gif |
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| Quote: Dux "The frustrating thing with Smith is not that we favoured Eastmond ahead of him. Eastmond was clearly the better prospect and I feel pretty sure that he'd be one of the best scrum halves in world rugby league had he stuck around. It's unfortunate that he didn't, but such is life.
The frustrating thing is that we binned Smith off while Scott Moore was still at the club. Smith could have done a good job of the back up half/hooker role that Moore was playing at the time, and then when Eastmond jumped ship we would have had a replacement already at the club. Instead we were lumbered with a brainless hooker/loose forward who spent the next few years either out on loan or giving away penalties in big matches.'"
If we are being honest, matty smith didn't look enough at the time and eastmond was streets ahead of him. I'd say Moore had more potential at the time.
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