I think the fact the physio clamped his hands around it the moment he reached him says it all. File under very bad. Wish Luke well, he's going to be in for a difficult 6 months if it is as bad as feared. Would he be able to fly back to Australia in a couple of weeks? Hopeful go some way towards making his family happy being home for a few extra months.

"Shannon McDonnell can come in, Paul Wellens can move to the halves and play well like he has done there this season and Lance should be back before the season's out. We have to work hard and be positive." www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/4199? Well, I think this will be popular ...

"Shannon McDonnell can come in, Paul Wellens can move to the halves and play well like he has done there this season and Lance should be back before the season's out. We have to work hard and be positive." www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/4199? Well, I think this will be popular ...

Can we have adam brook then instead please? You'd be doing us a solid

Looks like it will be:

1. McDonnell
6. Wheeler
7. Wellens

Where the kicking game comes from I have no idea, we're seriously going to struggle with game management I'd say. Looking forward to seeing McDonnell though.

I feel depression setting in .

Just looked at the operational rules and the deadline for registering players was 18th July. We've got to play with what we've got now!

Do a Canterbury Bulldogs then - they got to an NRL grand final with Keating at halfback!

Need a kicker though and I'm not sure who that could be. I'd be more tempted by 1. McDonnell 6. Wellens 7. Wheeler/Hohaia/ Wilkin 13. Charnock.

Charnock should of been blooded earlier, but he will bring a kicking game

Brown has an excellent record at bringing through youth players, if he thinks Charnock isn't ready then he isn't ready.

You've got a point about the media guff though.

I can see it now, Gary Wheeler, the injury prone scapegoat will lead us to a grand final victory in 2014 and forever be a saints legend.

It takes a big character with plenty of self belief to play half back at a club like Saints. Brown will be despèrate for that type of character to emerge from the ruins so to speak and demand the chance to prove themselves. If Charnock can't grab Brown's attention right now then he's simply not ready because if he can't get Brown's attention, he certainly won't be strong enough to guide 12 other more experienced, first team regulars around the pitch.

Believe me, i've heard alot of stories about charnock. He is most certainly NOT the guy to lead us forward.

You can't say that and then not tell us.

And of course all stories are automatically true!

We need someone with a kicking game. Wilkin is out long term, Hohaia is out long term and Walsh is gone. We have no kicking game.