I think Tez the Saint analysis is more accurate than St Petes opinion on Wilkin.

It may be a coincidence I don,t know but Wilkin gradually started his play making role around 2007/2008 when we lost influential half backs. Prior to that he had more size and was more of a running back row forward.

He has had to adapt to the new utility role due to our lack of signing the right players for the right job, this when Wilkin becomes inconsistent in the role attracts crtitism more so than perhaps other players.

I'd would argue that wilkin is a bad player, I wouldn't argue with those who think he's a really good player, I just think that there are a number of things missing from Saints team (if we want to win trophies) and Wilkin seems to sum a lot of these points - mainly being undersized and too nice.

How do we think Hudds will go against Wigan tonight?

Another loss, to then be followed up by another Loss against Leeds.

Can't see them pulling anything out the bag. They will get a bounce against London, but as we found out that does not help against other teams.

I can see them dropping to 8th this year.

They've beaten them once already this season and so, like us with Warrington, I think a lot will depend on the attitude they take into the game and whether they have tightened up their ruck defence, which is probably what got them against us. If they decide to bend their backs then they could beat Wigan. If they don't, they won't.

Roby?

Don't start Rogue's on that one. Roby's "just a scooter" to him.

I've never said he was JUST a scooter hooker, but he does do it more than any other. It's not my type of rugby and I've been saying that consistently for years, especially when Higham was at Wigan. It was no coincidence that we started scoring more tries when he left.

Sure, look I can see why you prefer the more creative type to just a scooter - as MM's 1 try and 0 assists this year makes an underperforming Roby's 4 tries and 11 assists look positively pedestrian.

And MM's legendary defence leaves Robes in the shade too, what with MM makng half as many tackles but missing 4 times more of them than Roby.

Oh for a change at hooker at Saints

You see you'd miss him if he was banned

Pow.

I was wondering who would spot that.

Obviously I am to credit for motivating them.