Agreed, and by doing all this work in defence, we are losing his running from dummy half which 90% of the time gets us on front foot and we get a roll on.

If laffranchi plays, he's got to be the starting prop with Amor. My only concern is he has no go forward.

We're not getting a role on because we insist on the back 3 take the first 3 drives in EVERY set and it's predictable, and easy for opposition to turtle them and slow us down ... But that's a whole other matter

Doing so much work Roby has just lost his sharpness in his running and passing game, and everything gets broken down from there. (No criticism of the guy mind, he can do no wrong, it's up to the others to take work of him, or for the coach to recognise he's getting over worked and rotate)

I would stick with the back 3, no time to lose confidence.
To me Turner has lost the shirt and should have to earn it back.
I would have Jones and Percival in the centres.
Walsh is a gimme if fit.
I would regardless of attitude play Wheeler at 6. It is nonsense to not play him. Wilkin or Wellens at 6 is a total waste of time.

Props Amor/Laffranchi/Masoe/Walmsley
Hooker: Roby (Lance on the bench we are wasting Roby and his lack of rest 'he played the WC as well' is beginning to show)
2nd row & LF: Manu, Sia, Savelio
Then any of greenwood/Walker/Thompson

I know some are currently injured and we have to fill. But tactically we need to recognise some players are just being wasted. Others frozen out for non-playing reasons. Well if we could afford that great. But frankly we can't. Sure we will beat London and Bradford. But if Roby is still doing full 80's in the next few weeks and has no interchange hooker. Then to me it shows a lack of recognition of the problem

I get the no go forward. But he stiffens up our defense. It would be great if he could do both. But I will take a lack of go forward for a bit more steel in defense.

Put it like this LMS or Laffranchi?

I disagree actually. As I posted earlier today, everything wrong is easily fixable, it just takes structure from the coaching staff.

Amor and Walmsley are good starting props, who got completely snuffed out by us barely touching the ball in the first 20, owing to the annoyingly predictable first carry knock on, and the "touched in flight even though there is no deviation of it's flight" drop out. Masoe, whilst having a poor game today has been improving, and is a good sub for walmsley. The problem comes when Amor comes off. Laffranchi is okay at holding off the opposition whilst Amor is off, hopefully we will get someone better next year. Richards has impressed me, and would be my 5th choice prop next year. Too much too soon now though.

Our biggest problem is the back row. We need to stop acting like lock and second row are the same. Declare lms and Wilkin our lock options, and no one else plays there! (We've already had this conversation) - reading redvee, people are saying Wilkin wants to play 6 now?

The rest is in the previous convo - but easily fixable.

None!

Walker, Thompson and Richards before him.


I also think it's time Greenwood got a extended run starting at second row.

Agree entirely about greenwood. Him and soliola would be my starting second rowers. Manu or Savelio as impact second rowers on the bench.

Not convinced by walker, seems like another clough, and I don't think he's the player to influence a big game. Richards and Thompson are, but too young to play week in week out. There's an argument for them to share the role, but then brown would get complaints about tinkering again - laffranchi is a better, stable option.

It's surprising how much we've missed Manu for a player who's been out of form.

Manu brings defence and also go forward so he's effectively our best all round Backrow. He's also tough and never takes a back step.

Greenwood had improved this year. He's gone stronger and given good ball will bust tackles.

Wilkin has decided he wants to be a stand off now and it shows. He's told Brown the same, and its upsetting others take from that What you Will.

I think we've missed the threat of Manu as much as we've physically missed his contribution. A big player whose capable of playing wide of the ruck, and get a role on and have opposition scrambling is something were missing right now. Savelio could be a great replacement, but I don't know if he has the fitness, and lateral footwork in defence to play wide yet.

Amor Roby Walmsley
Soliola Greenwood
Wilkin

Masoe Laffranchi Manu Wellens

Would be my revised starting line up when fully fit. Lms replacing Wilkin if he remains playing poorly (eventually one of their forms has to pick up) - Richards and Savelio being first reserves.

Really. How, do you know this for sure?

Was Hohaia injured today? Fed up to the back teeth of half d half back pairings. No wonder Walsh is knackered. He is the only one with any nous. Target him and we are done. Need to give Hohaia an extended run to form a partnership. We badly need a 2nd hooker too. Roby is being run into the ground.

He is injured. I was told the team Thursday and he was in at 6 so must have picked it up in training.

Let's be honest, we knew that stand off was going to be a problem before a ball was kicked. Walsh IMO looks to good for saints.

We are asking to much of Walsh IMO and I posted this before the season. He's our ball player, he's our general to lead us round the park, he's a field kicker, he's our goal kicker, it's to much for him.

Teams only need to take Walsh out the game and we've lost our attack and organisation and it's clear teams are targeting with spot plays.