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| Quote: Dave K. "Basically Foster won the game against Rovers on his own, no credit for Heremia who kicked for Jamie to chase, Manu who made the break to set up Yeamans try. Briscoe try saving tackle on latus which would have put Rovers in the lead, Whiting part in Briscoe try at the end? '"
No, I said he saved your bacon, not he won the game for you. Your whole team perked up after his run to secure the drop out. It galvanised Hull. Sometimes one player's actions will do that. There were indeed other good players on that occasion but you said he was 'decent' in that game; I am saying he was more than that.
For the last time: your whole team yesterday was pants. Therefore, focusing on Foster just because there happens to be a Foster thread on here is ludicrous because all your players were pants.
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| Quote: Dux "So what? Dave K said he isn't big enough. He didn't say it's his fault that he isn't big enough. And let's face it, he's right. Foster just doesn't have the explosive athleticism that's required to be a top threequarter. What's worse is that he now seems to be painfully aware of this; he is desperate to get rid of the ball every time it comes into his hands, even when he has space to run into.
I'm not one of those who thinks that because Foster is a good looking lad and owns a hairdressers he doesn't concentrate enough on his rugby. To me he's always come across as dedicated and eager to improve, but the sad truth is he just doesn't have the raw materials.'"
A sensible post !
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| Quote: SaintsFan "You're spouting the same stuff as some fans on here have, which is fundamentally to do with his physique, something he has little control over. Your whole team was a shambles yesterday so it is ridiculous to single him out.'"
Why does a professional athlete have little control over his physique? If he wanted to put weight on he could.
The Hull fan is right. Foster isn't quick or elusiveness enough to justify being so small like a Tomkins, Barba or even a Makinson.
You are either not being serious or just trolling for the sake of it.
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| Quote: Smurf "Why does a professional athlete have little control over his physique? If he wanted to put weight on he could.'"
Ok. Let's take Rob Burrow as an example. Burrow is a small man. No amount of work in the gym will change that. He has no control over his essential frame. It is what it is. He has been played to his strengths which, in the case of Burrow, is in the middle of the park being set free to run riot and cause mayham, particularly to Saints players. If Burrow did as you suggest, for example, he would turn into a snail.
Jamie Foster is a fairly small boned male. I've met him. He is not big. He's quite tall, but his frame is not big. He could work out in the gym 24 hours a day and his frame would still be the same because that is the frame he was born with. That is what I am talking about. Rob Burrow can do nothing about his stature. He is a small man. Foster can do nothing about his: he is a 'slight' male (for want of a better way of describing a 20 year old who has the physique of a 14 year old!).
Where you have gotten the idea that he is not quick I do not know because he is very nippy. Did you not watch the recent Hull derby?
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Ok. Let's take Rob Burrow as an example. Burrow is a small man. No amount of work in the gym will change that. He has no control over his essential frame. It is what it is. He has been played to his strengths which, in the case of Burrow, is in the middle of the park being set free to run riot and cause mayham, particularly to Saints players. If Burrow did as you suggest, for example, he would turn into a snail.
Jamie Foster is a fairly small boned male. I've met him. He is not big. He's quite tall, but his frame is not big. He could work out in the gym 24 hours a day and his frame would still be the same because that is the frame he was born with. That is what I am talking about. Rob Burrow can do nothing about his stature. He is a small man. Foster can do nothing about his
Burrow has never needed to put weight on, hence why he hasn't (nor Tomkins, Barba). But Rob Burrow is Rob Burrow, not Jamie Foster.
What a small frame has to do with muscle growth and adding weight I'll never know. He doesn't need moretime in the gym, he needs burgers. He doesn't need to be Sia Soliola, he needs to stop being dominated in every collision because he isn't evasive enough to avoid them. Darrell Goulding would be a good example. He did what needed to be done.
20 year olds only have physiques of 14 year olds if they don't eat enough. No amount of gym work will change that.
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| Quote: Smurf "Burrow has never needed to put weight on, hence why he hasn't (nor Tomkins, Barba). But Rob Burrow is Rob Burrow, not Jamie Foster.
What a small frame has to do with muscle growth and adding weight I'll never know. He doesn't need moretime in the gym, he needs burgers. He doesn't need to be Sia Soliola, he needs to stop being dominated in every collision because he isn't evasive enough to avoid them. Darrell Goulding would be a good example. He did what needed to be done.
20 year olds only have physiques of 14 year olds if they don't eat enough. No amount of gym work will change that.'"
Goulding is 2 years older than Foster and males can continue to grow until their mid twenties. It was only last year that Goulding was being held out as weak physically and would never make it, now he's bulked up enough to be a centre and you're holding him out to be a good example.
Maybe what Goulding did, what needed to be done, was to grow a bit more. And maybe, just maybe what Wigan did, what needed to be done, was to give him time to develop fully?
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "Goulding is 2 years older than Foster and males can continue to grow until their mid twenties. It was only last year that Goulding was being held out as weak physically and would never make it, now he's bulked up enough to be a centre and you're holding him out to be a good example.
Maybe what Goulding did, what needed to be done, was to grow a bit more. And maybe, just maybe what Wigan did, what needed to be done, was to give him time to develop fully?'"
Goulding was never as slightly built as Foster though. I know because I have seen them both from the age of 16.
I'm disappointed in Foster and (Shaun Ainscough) as I thought they would kick on on to be top class players.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Goulding was never as slightly built as Foster though. I know because I have seen them both from the age of 16.
I'm disappointed in Foster and (Shaun Ainscough) as I thought they would kick on on to be top class players.'"
Shaun ainscough always looks good on the ball when I've seen him.
Don't write Jamie off just yet, he can be very effective Witt his try scoring and goal kicks as he's just a points machine.
He needs to sort his catching out and he'd do a job .
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Goulding was never as slightly built as Foster though. I know because I have seen them both from the age of 16.
I'm disappointed in Foster and (Shaun Ainscough) as I thought they would kick on on to be top class players.'"
My point is, whilst he may never get any better, he may do and now is not the time to bin him. He was our top try scorer last year by a long way and that was not playing in a great team, or outside a great centre.
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| Quote: SaintsFan " I said that the whole team was poor yesterday so to single him out is, frankly, ludicrous .'"
This is a thread specifically about Jamie Foster and ,frankly, there's only one thing ludicrous about it.
Jamie has displayed to us in his first full season that he has the skills to be a reliable winger. If he he can regain this side of his game then, coupled with his goal kicking, he has enough to be considered a viable wing option for super league clubs.
However, past that, unless he improve his ability to go forward with the ball, those clubs will not be at the top end of the table.
He is slight, but he's quite tall. If he can sustain his super league status then, as he gets older, his lack of physically may fade. In order for that to happen, though, he needs to sort himself out ASAP, because nobody's going to go near him as it stands with the plays he's coming up with.
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "This is a thread specifically about Jamie Foster and ,frankly, there's only one thing ludicrous about it.
Jamie has displayed to us in his first full season that he has the skills to be a reliable winger. If he he can regain this side of his game then, coupled with his goal kicking, he has enough to be considered a viable wing option for super league clubs.
However, past that, unless he improve his ability to go forward with the ball, those clubs will not be at the top end of the table.
He is slight, but he's quite tall. If he can sustain his super league status then, as he gets older, his lack of physically may fade. In order for that to happen, though, he needs to sort himself out ASAP, because nobody's going to go near him as it stands with the plays he's coming up with.'"
I dont think the lack of go forward or lack attack that's the problem, it's his catching and defence as it started costing us points, the was no point him kicking three goals off the touch line if he gave two tries away.
He needs to deal with kicks and learn to defend and he'd be a potent weapon.
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| Quote: St pete "I dont think the lack of go forward or lack attack that's the problem, it's his catching and defence as it started costing us points, the was no point him kicking three goals off the touch line if he gave two tries away.
He needs to deal with kicks and learn to defend and he'd be a potent weapon.'"
But his initial stint in the team showed he had the ability to take the high ball safely and his defence was never that bad, unlike Gardner who appeared to have to learn how to catch a bomb for example.
That to me says that his issue is mental rather than a skill deficiency
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "But his initial stint in the team showed he had the ability to take the high ball safely and his defence was never that bad, unlike Gardner who appeared to have to learn how to catch a bomb for example.
That to me says that his issue is mental rather than a skill deficiency'"
Whatever it is, until he sorts it, he's a liability
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "But his initial stint in the team showed he had the ability to take the high ball safely and his defence was never that bad, unlike Gardner who appeared to have to learn how to catch a bomb for example.
That to me says that his issue is mental rather than a skill deficiency'"
Agreed. His ability to take a kick under pressure was not just ok, it was actually pretty impressive. What's happened to him is disappointing, especially as he oesn't seem to be turning things round with his 2nd bite of the cherry at hull.
He'll be there a bit longer though, so he still has a bit of time to get on track.
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| Quote: Smurf "What a small frame has to do with muscle growth and adding weight I'll never know. '"
If you don't know the answer then I suggest you borrow a biology textbook from your local library and look up male human physical development. Then, when you have discovered the answer, pop on here and apologise to me for calling me a troll, k?
Quote: Smurf "20 year olds only have physiques of 14 year olds if they don't eat enough. No amount of gym work will change that.'"
You are making yourself look silly with statements like that.
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