Totally wrong, the fact is we have lost 8 out of the last 10 games. How on earth is he the scape goat? he is the coach and the buck stops with him. He has been quite clever and used the media for his own benefit. We will see what he does with your superior squad of players next season.

I would let Brown have a short break, then bring him in. The club operating as a 3 man coaching team, gradually releasing Rush into his old role which he prefers.
Cunningham and Brown could produce a working relationship that could turn into a positive for the play offs. Can,t see vast improvements though due to our lack of leadership on the pitch and inexpierenced half back roles.

Hudd's have never been more than an average side in the super league era and have flattered in the early rounds only to fail when it matters.

He was always going to be the scapegoat if anything went wrong, that should have been my point.

If the players don't want to listen to him, or would rather go down their own path, then I believe that you have more of a problem than Nathan Brown.

I think most Saints fans would agree that our back line has been on the low ebb of a curve, so to compare the Saints and huddersfeild back lines and say they are comparable is not saying much.

What people are expecting though from a Saints fans point of view is that this will improve with some much needed youth having had 2 years to bed in and some of the old guard moving on for new players from outside. The big question at Saints is more over the quality of Lance and his role, the rest will fall into place around this.

Turning a side around and heading in the right direction has just got a whole lot harder with with NRL salary cap increase on it's way and the weak £. I don't think a single quality signing has been announced from the NRL for next year, Ellis apart but he really is an exception. The day's of splashing the cash and overhauling a squad with decent overseas players appears to be over. If Brown is to turn the squad around, then he'll have to do so with St Helens youngsters and fellow SL recruits only.

As for Brown at Huddersfield. I thought in his first couple of years in charge he really got them to that next level, it's subsequently where he's struggled to take them another rung up the ladder that's tarnished his reputation somewhat. As others have said it was the constant repeating of the same mistakes over an over again without rectifying them that ultimately cost him dearly.

I think he'll turn it around for you guy's, but just have far can he take you remains to be seen. Granted you've got a higher quality of player, although the gulf isn't as large as some make out. I do wonder whether his downfall has been down to the fact that he's no longer up to date with the latest techniques in the NRL as he was when he first arrived, and it's perhaps his inability to come up with his own plans and ideas as his old one's have become ineffective, that have shown him up. If that were the case it makes the job that Tony Smith has done over here all these years all that more impressive.

If that story is true - and I'm always skeptical about such stories - what it tells me is:
(a) Nathan Brown (rightly) refused to do the players' dirty work for them.
(b) Your players are a nasty, arrogant bunch who deserve bringing down a peg or two.
(c) The story backs up Brown's claim about player power - if they are willing to gang up on the conditioner and think they know better then clearly they are prepared to refuse to play for their coach because they think they know better (which, after Sunday's showing, they clearly don't).
(d) Your conditioner is too sensitive.

You talk a lot of sense and I take on board many of your points but fortunately due to another benefactor we have pots of money and don't owe the bank even 1p which allows a better (well more expensive) support staff setup.
Also, bigger crowds and the prospects (see bookies odds and recent i.e. SL history) of winning things will attract better quality players, even with the same SC. At least that is the theory.
The crowd for the SF - how many did you take - 3,000?

What's that got to do with anything? Since when did we start this stupid notion of setting the benchmark as the NRL? Look at Jammer, the Burgess brothers, Widdop for God's sake (forgotten and unattended in Halifax, right on the Yorkshire clubs' doorsteps). They all look as good down under as they did here. We just need to stop looking over there and instead look closer to home. There will be some gems we are missing. Look at Chris Hill over at Warrington or Hardaker at Leeds. Both Championship players until very recently. I am extremely glad the salary cap has escalated in Australia and the pound is useless because we might stop this stupid obsession with NRL players then and instead give our home grown talent a chance.

But my personal hobby horse aside, I've had my doubts about the recruitment of Brown since the moment it was announced. However, as with other coaches before him, I will keep an open mind and give him a season before getting off the fence.

I don't beleive that story one bit. Brown is a strict coach and got told by a saints coach that some players wont know what's hit them when he arrives.

He is not that strict Pete when he allows player power to change his selection and tactics?
The only word for that is weak.

If he letting the player power take over at hudderfield got help him at saints

Conditioners work for the club, not the coach, don't they? They have to work with the coach, obviously, but I don't think they are accountable to him are they? I remember Simmons saying when he first arrived that our conditioner had asked him for his (Simmons) plan because Potter always wrote his own plan which the conditioner then executed. Simmons didn't do that; he considered the conditioner to be the 'expert' in that field and so gave him a free reign. It could have been simply Brown forcing the players to man up rather than hide behind him and whinge behind the conditioner's back. We will never know. We don't even know if the story is remotely true!

Either way, no doubt we will discover over time whether our players are happy bunnies under Brown or not.