she never put a time period on it she just said wigan don't produce there own half's.

fallen on hard times if you count that as success

No in a competition we all play in.

i.e U18, although that can't be counted as all teams don't play each other, but Saints produced a league table
U20's ?
Superleague?

Unnecessary.

Challenge Cup, 1997. Briers was instrumental in the campaign.

cant say i made note of the game but was briers playing in the final? if so i still think its point proven 15 years ago.

No, Goulding replaced him. But, as I say, he was instrumental in the campaign.

What point has been proven? I was simply answering RG's question...

it wasn't aimed at you. i think he was asking the question to prove a point to saints fan

Its a pretty poor thread this one (nothing to do with your very relevant post mind), but the point of the post is I think about Matty and not the usual sport about the gooners?

For what its worth, I thought he was absolutely abject against the Exiles on Wednesday. It was not so much his attacking predictability but his awful defence and lack of positioning - a poor player in a poor side. Having watched it I thought there was no way the pies would want him to replace Lulu; I didn't realise then how stupid they were.

Only three seasons ago I thought Matty (& Scotty for that matter) were pure gold and would be our future HB's. How stupid was I in thinking that when both turned into one unpolished and another polished turd.
Admittedly this is harsh on Matty but at 17 you were an apparent world beater to become a journeyman sort of player.
So sad for him.

I think he looked to have the potential to be an excellent half back when he first came into the team. He's not got any worse, it's just that the deficiencies he had then are still the same he has now. He just never got any better.

I think his last 3 appearances in a Saints shirt sum him up really - fantastic, game-winning performance against Warrington followed by 2 abject and ineffectual performances against Hudds and the Pies in the final (admittedly playing in a well spanked team). He can look brilliant when the conditions suit a conservative gameplan or when he's got top players firing around him and giving him options, but when things aren't quite going right for the team then there's not an awful lot he's ever going to be able to do to turn a game around himself. He'll look very good in a dominating Wigan team with Tomkins running off the end of his passes most of the time but he's not the player I'd want driving my team around the pitch trying to make things happen when the crunch games come around. Admittedly we haven't got anyone better at the moment either though....

Under 18s four ago beat Wigan at Knowsley road in the final with gaskell and Ellis at half back

Buying the best players from other teams? Shenton was Castlefords brightest talent when you bought him but look what youve done to him and Im guessing Sam doesnt count as young half back talent as Madge turned him into a full back instead? If your half back talent was as good as you make out, you wouldnt have good old Lance playing 6.

Sad that we do but that's what a change in the coaching staff does. However, Gasky was good enough to get to and play in a GF last year, not bad for a young lad in his rookie season.