Unless it is specfically written into their contract that is untrue. If employed by an employer for more than a month the staff must provide a minimum of one weeks notice.

The employer does have a duty of care, 16C is generally considered to be the minimum working temperature without PPE or heaters being used. However this remains guidence only and the basic rule of thumb is the more active the role the cooler a workroom can be.

Therefore the faster they serve the beer the cooler the bar can be. No Cl4dding = faster bar staff... in theory.

Well at least we have our own cladding thread, saves this stuff turning up elsewhere.

But I do know of 5 season ticket holders who are hoping they can renew but for the south stand next year or they may not get season tickets next year. And 3 of them where season ticket holders at KR and Widnes.

In the end you can call people soft, and say what about Bradford etc, but at bradford your paying less than £100 per season ticket. Bradford has not been redeveloped. If people choose not to take another season ticket the club won't be saying oh they are soft or they should count their lucky chickens, they will be saying was all the money invested worth it.

Fans will still come, it's whether they come in numbers that matters.

Like I've said previous, I'm in the posh stand (south) thanks to being tipped off by someone at saints about getting rained on.

If I was in the north stand and I was getting wet or having to sit on a wet seat, I'd have no doubt I'd ask to be moved or my season ticket money back. I don't care if people say its soft or what, I've not paid to get wet and spoil my enjoyment of watching the game.

The cladding problem is a disgrace really for the "best purpose built rugby stadium in englAnd "

Yep, that is correct but it will not be the case for the bar staff at Saints as they are agency workers. Or the majority of them are. They could walk out without any notice at all if they chose.


Indeed you are correct about the law in relation to temperature. However, there is nothing to suggest that it is guidance only. Here is what the Health & Safety Executive sayTemperatures in the workplace are covered by the Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992, which place a legal obligation on employers to provide a “reasonable” temperature in the workplace.[/i

It would appear that a single temperature cannot be used due to the varying nature of workplaces and duties undertaken. rlSee here.rl The reference to a lower temperature than 16C is in workplaces where the tasks are active and in those instances the temperature can fall to 13C. In both cases the employer is obliged to make staff 'comfortable' if the temperature is lower than either 16C (for sedentary jobs) or 13C (for active jobs). Saints appear to have failed to meet their obligations at Langtree Park on occasion. Therefore, there could be grounds for action if the staff chose to take it.

I think the staffing issue is a red herring. In the end it's about the paying customers. Never forget, it maybe sport, it maybe entertainment, but the minute sport went pro, it became a business and in business those who pay are called customers.

What is that famous mantra???

The customer is always right!!!!

Whilst sporting fans are customers who may not go and shop elsewhere, they may just stop shopping!!!!

I disagree. I disagree firstly because how staff are treated is never a red herring but secondly, I am simply following through my own initial point which rested on staff AND paying customers.


Exactly, which is why the staff issue is not a red herring. McManus has spoken of Saints being a business. There are two sides to that coin. If Saints can charge a fiver for putting your birthday wishes on the scoreboard then they can also ensure the health and safety requirements are met in relation to their customers AND their staff. In addition there is also the point that any business not providing the most customer-friendly service will ultimately pay the price, as you suggest.

I thi k it's £10 for your name on scoreboard when I enquiried about it, which I told them to go and get stuffed.

Doubled in price since my friend arranged it in that case. She organised it about two months ago.

They may have dropped the price then. I know for fact it was £10 when we played Catalan at home.

I paid for a hospitality package for 8 people for someone's birthday which wasn't cheap (really good tho) and while I booked I asked them to put the name on scoreboard and she told me its a extra £10. I told her I've just spent a fortune and couldn't they do it free of charge and they says no.

I told them to get stuffed, I'm not paying £10 for that!!!!

Surely cladding won't make a blind bit of difference to the temperature in the concession stands?

We've been told it's 50% maximum due to the construction of the stadium so while it may stop some of the rain coming in, it won't stop wind or warm the place up.

If it protects staff from the wind then it will, even if it cuts down the impact of it rather than obliterates it completely. Sometimes that wind has been biting. Obviously, though, a proper wall would have been better. A proper wall is, of course, what most of us thought we were going to get!

It's cladding with thermals

But it should provide some protection from the wind in the stadium, I think the wind and the rain effects different areas.

The rain has not bothered me in the seating sections that seams to be in the areas outside where it pools the worst, but the wind does blow through the stadium something cronic. You maybe right and it may not effect the climate inside at all, but if the club said such then that would be the end of it, put up or shut up.

You didn't look at the plans properly then? They just had a wooden fence round the outside, not even the brick wall we have.



I can understand it stopping some of the rain coming in (and the problems with wet concourses currently), but I've not noticed wind being a major problem within the concourses, I've only been in the North Stand myself though.

Usual pacifists. McClennan would have a haircut for the rest of his days to save the trouble of telling his hairdresser he wanted to change it 15 years ago.

The questions are thus:-

1) If you were to receive a new ground in 2012 would you expect it to be fully protected from the elements in both your seats and on the concourse? If not, why not?

2) If your chairman said that you would be getting said cladding six weeks after fans expressed reservations then would you expect it a) to happen or b) when it doesn't happen, get an explanation why/ If not, why not?

There are too many of our supporters who are too happy to settle for second best. They think that being runners-up is acceptable and they think that accepting a ground that has been shockingly designed is acceptable on the basis that is better than Mount Pleasant. Well it isn't. The designers have ballsed up and that is a cast iron fact. If you want to settle for a shoddily designed affair without question after all these years then that says everything about your weak personalities.

NO - That is a cast iron OPINION.

Anyone would think you actually contributed to paying for the building of the stadium and therefore your OPINION has some weight. And before you do, PLEASE don't spout that you've bought a 5 year season ticket. That does nothing but give you admission to games, nothing more noithing less and at a price lower than it would be if you bought either matches one by one or seasons.