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| Quote: The Chair Maker "When talking about Makinson for me his key weakness is the inability to read the game well.
By that i mean that a natural finisher will know when and were a break is likely to take place, and consequently put themselves in a position to be on the end of passes to score trys. Jamie Foster for all the abuse he gets amongst Saints fans has shown a greater aptitude in this department compared to Tommy.'"
And here lies the big question mark over a future career at full back. Makinson has all the right attributes (speed, agility, hands, defence etc.) - but if he cannot accurately read the optimum point at which to insert himself into the line (or judge which way an attacker is likely to go) he will struggle to make a fist of that position.
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| Quote: Mugwump "And here lies the big question mark over a future career at full back. Makinson has all the right attributes (speed, agility, hands, defence etc.) - but if he cannot accurately read the optimum point at which to insert himself into the line (or judge which way an attacker is likely to go) he will struggle to make a fist of that position.'"
Could you give me an example of when he didn't do this last night, given that he only had about 10 minutes on the pitch? Or when he hasn't done it in the recent past in his rare appearances at fullback? Because I'm struggling to think of an occasion. Last night, for example, he appeared to chime in beautifully, on both sides, and the team looked much more dynamic in attack as they approached the West Stand as a result of his presence there.
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| I didn't see the game last
Night but am quite surprised at how low key this thread is. Ok, it was "only" bradford and they had lots of injuries, but we racked up 50 odd points and kept a clean sheet, on what sounded a grotty night which could easily have been a banana skin. Couldn't really ask for much more. Are we still down from the Wigan maulings? It's a shame that we don't seem to be able to celebrate good performances, simply because at the minute we arent as good as wigan
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| Quote: SomersetSaint "I didn't see the game last
Night but am quite surprised at how low key this thread is. Ok, it was "only" bradford and they had lots of injuries, but we racked up 50 odd points and kept a clean sheet, on what sounded a grotty night which could easily have been a banana skin. Couldn't really ask for much more. Are we still down from the Wigan maulings? It's a shame that we don't seem to be able to celebrate good performances, simply because at the minute we arent as good as wigan'"
A number of people are to busy defending opinions they formed months ago, and will only acknowledge positives if it supports said position.
I swear there are some already excitedly waiting for the likes of Brown, Turner et al to arrive just to watch them fail.
I thoroughly enjoyed last night, we beat the team in front of us by a good score, scored some lovely tries and saw some promising performances from our youngsters and from some of our senior players who had been under performing.
More of the same, please.
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| Quote: SomersetSaint "I didn't see the game last
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While you say we couldn't ask much more than a 54-0 mauling that alone says that the match was not competitive but also we didn't exactly play champagne rugby. Actually, we just played as we usually do for the most part, once we had got our knock ons/penalties out of the way in the first 20 minutes (which is really all Bradford competed for).
It was a very dull match to watch, with just the occasional rather good try to life the spirits. There was no atmosphere among Saints fans, who appeared largely bored (and wet!).
Yes, it was a win and a good win for the points difference and league position. But we could ask for more: a competitive match and a match in which we play better attacking rugby. So I suppose the low key approach on here is a reflection of the low key game last night.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "While you say we couldn't ask much more than a 54-0 mauling that alone says that the match was not competitive but also we didn't exactly play champagne rugby. Actually, we just played as we usually do for the most part, once we had got our knock ons/penalties out of the way in the first 20 minutes (which is really all Bradford competed for).
It was a very dull match to watch, with just the occasional rather good try to life the spirits. There was no atmosphere among Saints fans, who appeared largely bored (and wet!).
Yes, it was a win and a good win for the points difference and league position. But we could ask for more
We could have defended poorly and allowed them some more points. We could have attacked poorly and scored fewer points. Maybe had a couple of players sent off to even things up. In tge end we defended well, scored some great tries and came up with a clinical performance. Sometimes you just can't please anyone.
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| If you thought it was a dull game as a Saints fan..imagine what it was like for us Bulls fans!
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| Quote: SomersetSaint "We could have defended poorly and allowed them some more points. We could have attacked poorly and scored fewer points. Maybe had a couple of players sent off to even things up. In tge end we defended well, scored some great tries and came up with a clinical performance. Sometimes you just can't please anyone.'"
Well, you did ask the question (kind of) and I just gave you an honest answer. We didn't have an awful lot to defend to be fair but personally, if it was going to be a walkover (which it turned out to be) then the 'What more could you want?' question is easily answered: 'A more creative attack please'
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| The number of people with their back to play,chatting with their mates rather than watching the game was indicative of how dull the game was to watch.Given the weather i was pleasantly surprised at the score but dissapointed at the lack of contest,but you can only play whats infront of you and 2 points and a nilling is allways good for the league table.
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| Quote: Bully_Boxer "If you thought it was a dull game as a Saints fan..imagine what it was like for us Bulls fans!'"
I really feel for your supporters. I used to love the Saints - Bulls rivalry and got on well with some of your supporters despite the rivalry. The way your club has been run in recent years is a disgrace and you deserve better than that. Your performance last night was shocking (I appreciate you had injuries), I never once felt like you were going to penetrate our line. If you'd have said to me 6 or 7 years ago we'd beat Bradford 54-0 at home, I'd have probably laughed at you.
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| Quote: Bully_Boxer "If you thought it was a dull game as a Saints fan..imagine what it was like for us Bulls fans!'"
I would imagine for you guys it was more painful than dull? I felt sorry for your fans, who came in good numbers given all the difficulties and the horrendous conditions, and stayed until the end too, which impressed me. Such a shame that things have come to the situation they have at Bradford.
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| To get back on topic; I think Makinson does very well considering he is playing outside Shenton. The shenty acolytes on here are costantly complaining about the lack of good ball being fed to him; what about the lack of ball to Makinson from Shenton.
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| Quote: redex113 "To get back on topic; I think Makinson does very well considering he is playing outside Shenton. The shenty acolytes on here are costantly complaining about the lack of good ball being fed to him; what about the lack of ball to Makinson from Shenton.'"
Let's just blame Super Royce for this for signing hohaia on as a halfback
Shenton is rubbish because he gets no ball or poor ball, makinson can't get any ball or good ball off shenton because lance hohaia cant get any ball to him because he's rubbish.
It's all super Royce fault.
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| when bewaretheshadows predicted a 42-10 win i wrote
Quote: Saint Simon "are bradford that bad?'"
No is the answer, they're far worse
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| Well the game in France I would say went in our favour today. That's 2 points clawed back on Catalan, we now just need one other team to do us a favour and then it's in our own hands to take that spot off them.
We are clawing our way back into contention each week and putting full effort into hammering teams below us will only help with the point difference late on in the season when teams start coming back within range.
Getting back into range of the top 4 is not the difficulty, is the hell uva beating Wigan are giving everyone on the way to the GF that will matter. I can well see us making and losing yet another GF.
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