he's coming up 22 and is still developing - he will beef up, grow up and then we will see how good he is

last season, due to injuries to senior players Saints were forced into playing the kids and they did a great job so let's carry on the good work

Foster isnt even stand out at reserve grade level. Appears to have this "ive made it attitude" the hairdressers deco tells you all you need to know about him. You'd think he was a veteran test player. No speed or size, heart of a gnat but can kick goals. Can go tommorrow for me, Swift, Jones & Percival all better players without the side show. Seems to spend more time on the golf course than the gym or training pitch. Not seen anywhere near the desire to get back into the first team as I would have envisaged.

Please tell me what you base this statement on?

To be fair, i've never seen any evidence of this "attitude". Yes he has a 12 yr olds hair cut, but so what, have you seen Sia's barnet recently???
Purely based on rugby i dont think he's good enough, even his kicking has gone downhill this year and Makinson isnt a bad kicker either. I hope im wrong and he comes back and rips the league apart, but i cant see it

so, was the same Jamie Foster last season when socoring some superb tries and kicking like a veteran a bad player then ?

so actually he was a good (ish) player but is now a load of crap, is that it ?

he's become a bad player in a season ?

why can't we positive about someones ability (or lack of) until proven otherwise ?

Not true, and given that Makinson is younger than Foster and has yet to actually play in the first team for a year your statement is even more ridiculous.

Foster was very good for the period he played in 2010 and for last season. He went to pieces this season for whatever reason. Makinson, meanwhile, is also looking very good. It is a great shame he was injured last week as that will surely rule him out of playing against Wigan and since he was one of our best players against Wigan last time we will miss him.

Didn't someone on here predict that the "golden generation " of youth wouldn't all make it?

I'm sure someone said that foster, Dixon, ashurst would end up playing at Salford and I'm sure that person was crucified on here for saying it.

No, absolutely 100% true. As usual it's a truth you've decided you want to ignore as Makinson is irrevocably locked in your "good player regardless" column while Foster goes in the other inescapable category, but no less a truth nevertheless. Foster was a scoring machine in his first year with ball and boot, solid in defence, utterly bulletproof under bombs and generally impressive in all respects. Makinson has been inconsistent and usually a bit unthreatening and average looking in the same spell (although admittedly on Saints' desolate, dusty, windswept wing). Pace aside (and I do appreciate that that is the only attribute the numpty brigade are ever capable of judging any player on, especially backs, and so that alone makes him automatically a better player than Foster could ever be) he generally looks a lesser player right now than Foster did 12 months ago.

You are talking childish tosh again.

I've been a supporter of Jamie Foster on here ever since he made his debut in the first team under Potter. That is widely known and widely evidenced.

I am also a supporter of Tommy Makinson. That is also widely known and widely evidenced. We will miss Makinson against Wigan on Sunday.

Ade is back though!!

Exactly!

You've got to be very very lucky to produce a home grown kids that goes on and wins things like Leeds did.

It irritates the crap out of me when I see/hear people go on about we don't needed to replace certain players as we've got a 20 year old kid that's played 10 first team games to replace them.

I think most saints fans bought into the the whole youth thing that saints was spinning but at the end of the day it was us doing things on the cheap.

I remember a game few years back when we beat cas at home and fielded a pretty young team and this board went into melt down. When I stated that prob one or two will ever make it to super league level I was slated!

Few years on and I think only lomax is still playing