This would be Hull who are presently second in the league and Bradford who just beat Leeds? And remember, we haven't won at Bradford since 2007.

Yep it was all fine under Royce the new team have changed nothing we did not really beat Leeds or Wire and only the last loss counts and taken as a stand alone it justifies my point of view.

I was no hater of Royce but I'm fast becoming one the more of this I hear. I've been tempted on a few occasions to risk Liable and probably a permanent ban to post some things on here, but thankfully sense has prevailed.

It's libel btw.

I think you should take your own advice.

We've upped our game the last few weeks and I think that the Wigan performance was as much down to it being the third big game in a row as much as anything, I thought our energy levels didn't look good.

There where alot of factors with the Wigan game, but a loss is a loss. Just like I don't like excuses for other teams playing poorly therefore letting Saints win, I don't like to be hypercritical and do the same in reverse. We should have had enough to beat the wigan pack a few times over. Put them on paper and we looked stronger in the forwards.

I don't think the forwards were the big problem for us on the day, the real problem was a lack of half back to dictate the game for us. As soon as Lomax went off our organisation went to pot and it really told in the 2nd half when our forwards were on top and we pounded the Wigan line to score just 1 try. Wigan on the other hand had their key 1,6,7 and 9 and that was ultimately the difference.

yup, thats about the sum of it

But the lack of Roby had no impact on our performances against Bradford and Hull?

Is that what i said?
and what has it got to do with this topic?

STOP DERAILLING THREADS! FINAL WARNING

Firstly, you were claiming the loss of one player made all the difference to our performance against Wigan. While I would agree with you, the loss of Roby was dismissed as a reason for our poor performances against Hull and Bradford. So the point is relevant.

Secondly, I'm getting tired of excuses being made for our senior players, some of whom have consistently NOT shown up in times of adversity. They have been doing it all season, and that is a very relevant point, as once again we had adversity and some of our senior players did not show up. For example, TP hanging around a loose ball instead of scooping it up, nobody covering for Laffranchi when Roby threw the pass to nobody, Josh Perry being too busy trying to wind up Hock to attend to his job of making metres and bashing up the opposition forwards.

Either the absence of a pivot player has an effect on the team or it does not. Either this team has balls/desire or it does not. The question was very relevant to the discussion and needed to be asked. My view is, and has been consistently, that the problem lies with some of our senior players who do not bend their backs when the going gets tough. Notice I don't say our younger players don't bend their backs because I believe they do. In fact, on many occasions our younger players have put our senior players to shame. However, regardless of change in coaching staff and in approach to training, etc, when the going gets tough some of our senior players get going - off in their own little world.

That is the major issue that needs addressing in the team if we are to rescue anything from the season. IMO obviously.

You appear to have a major downer on SaintsFan. You may not like what she has to say, but she has as much right as anyone to make her point. Would suggest that if you don't like it, you ignore her. If you want to ban someone for derailing threads, start with Rogues, who has been doing it for years.