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Quote: SaintsFan "Really? I missed the Grand Final then. And we won it?


Yes we've lost the last five.

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Quote: SaintsFan "That is what you have inferred. It is not what has been said. The head coach getting sacked after a run of losses is quite uncommon in RL outside Wigan - common enough in soccer of course - but how many times have you known a coach and the assistant be sacked at the same time? That would simply suggest that the head coach was not actually the problem but there was a problem elsewhere which was considered solvable only by wholesale change.'"


The coach and his assistant are a team, if one is sacked I expect the other to be sacked as well.

Quote: SaintsFan "I am assuming nothing. I said I would place a bet. '"


Then you either know something that is not in the public domain or are a bad gambler.

Quote: SaintsFan "high-five.gif

But it is not a proper noun and nor does your use of it refer directly to a previously mentioned person or place. Therefore, no capital letter at the beginning.
Arguing semantics whilst getting basics wrong...

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Quote: SaintsFan "Hey, I'm not expressing an original thought. The media, other fans ... I've heard/read many people suggesting that the stadium played a big part in motivating McManus to fire the two coaches'"


It probably was a factor in sacking Royce, but a small one at that. I can't see, however, how Purtill fits into that hypothesis?

Anyway you saidthe whole change was to do with money[/i' which is clearly untrue.

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Quote: Billinge_Lump "The coach and his assistant are a team, if one is sacked I expect the other to be sacked as well.'"

Except when did that last happen?

Quote: Billinge_Lump "Then you either know something that is not in the public domain or are a bad gambler.'"

And on what do you base your judgement that my gamble would be bad?

Quote: Billinge_Lump "Arguing semantics whilst getting basics wrong...'"

You mean making a spelling mistake?

And the word you want isn't 'semantics' but I won't push you on that as that really would be pedantic.

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Quote: Albion "It probably was a factor in sacking Royce, but a small one at that. I can't see, however, how Purtill fits into that hypothesis?'"

Royce was the head coach. He was where the buck stopped. Therefore, if both Royce AND Purtill were sacked, as they were, then there must have been something other than Royce's competence behind the decision McManus made. Had it been simply a question of Royce's competence, only Royce would have gone. The only 'other' that makes sense is the stadium. Not the physical building but the massive investment of time, energy and money McManus has made to enable that stadium to be built. Hearing the crowd booing the team would have seriously worried him as he will both want and need the fans to keep on coming in numbers.

Quote: Albion "Anyway you saidthe whole change was to do with money[/i' which is clearly untrue.'"

How do you know?

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Quote: SaintsFan "Royce was the head coach. He was where the buck stopped. Therefore, if both Royce AND Purtill were sacked, as they were, then there must have been something other than Royce's competence behind the decision McManus made. Had it been simply a question of Royce's competence, only Royce would have gone. The only 'other' that makes sense is the stadium. Not the physical building but the massive investment of time, energy and money McManus has made to enable that stadium to be built. Hearing the crowd booing the team would have seriously worried him as he will both want and need the fans to keep on coming in numbers. '"


The reason Purtill was sacked IMO was to do with who was coming in...just a thought.

Quote: SaintsFan "How do you know?'"


I don't [iknow[/i, but I think it's a fair assumption that something other than money was definitely a factor in the decision; only a fool would argue otherwise....

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Quote: Albion "The reason Purtill was sacked IMO was to do with who was coming in...just a thought.'"

Oh absolutely. And the boys coming in are both home boys aren't they? I'm quite sure McManus didn't get to be in the top 50 bankers by not being a ruthless barsteward who knows how to play people. Nothing better to placate the fans and keep them turning up in numbers than by replacing two individuals passing through with two home boys. But that still isn't a comment on Royce's competence as Cunningham doesn't yet have the proper badges even. IMO that was simply part of the solution to the identified problem which was the possibility of the fans jumping ship.

Quote: Albion "I don't [iknow[/i, but I think it's a fair assumption that something other than money was definitely a factor in the decision; only a fool would argue otherwise....'"

I like your move there. I saw what you did. If I disagree now I am a fool. Well, there you go. Neither you nor me will ever know the real reasons behind McManus' decision and only a fool would disagree with that statement. But in the meantime we will all speculate until such time as we stop doing.

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Quote: SaintsFan "Oh absolutely. And the boys coming in are both home boys aren't they? I'm quite sure McManus didn't get to be in the top 50 bankers by not being a ruthless barsteward who knows how to play people. Nothing better to placate the fans and keep them turning up in numbers than by replacing two individuals passing through with two home boys. But that still isn't a comment on Royce's competence as Cunningham doesn't yet have the proper badges even. IMO that was simply part of the solution to the identified problem which was the possibility of the fans jumping ship.'"


I was hinting more towards Nathan Brown, but yes I wouldn't disagree with you there (if you take away the cynicism, the general point still has merit)

Quote: SaintsFan "I like your move there. I saw what you did. If I disagree now I am a fool. Well, there you go. Neither you nor me will ever know the real reasons behind McManus' decision and only a fool would disagree with that statement. But in the meantime we will all speculate until such time as we stop doing.'"


You need to get out more.

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Quote: Albion "You need to get out more.'"

I do. But alas the finances don't allow it.

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Quote: SaintsFan "I do. But alas the finances don't allow it.'"


Shame.

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Quote: SaintsFan "I do. But alas the finances don't allow it.'"

teachers are on a decent whack!

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icon_frustrated.gif Oh ffs here we go again in yet another thread. icon_frustrated.gif

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Quote: SaintsFan " But in the meantime we will all speculate until such time as we stop doing.'"



Erm no we can't all speculate. I would never put on here the off-field reasons for why I think he went, any suggesting anything off-field would be wide open to putting this site under liable.

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Quote: SaintsFan "I do. But alas the finances don't allow it.'"

You must get a decent wedge from all the Villages you represent.

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Quote: bewareshadows "Erm no we can't all speculate. I would never put on here the off-field reasons for why I think he went, any suggesting anything off-field would be wide open to putting this site under liable.'"

Speculating doesn't have to involve anything libelous.

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