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| Quote: lothlorian "and i was talking about the last part of your previous statment, the year we avoided relegation and the alleged serious breach. It wasnt actually a breach, we deferred payments/renegotiated contracts to get round the cap. Not illegal, hence the loop hole and the made up rule. Like i said it will be interesting when the tax scandal surfaces and the clubs involved named and see if this rule of the spirit of the cap is applied.'"
Did you or did you not break the salary cap?
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| Quote: St pete "I'm no longer banned off cherry & White'"
I hear DaveO is preparing a nice cream tea to welcome you back. Even cut the crusts off the sandwiches.
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| Quote: St pete "Did you or did you not break the salary cap?'"
Yes they did. We had a couple of minor technical breaches which Rogues likes to wet himself about whereas the Goon's looked for and found a way of cheating the cap to stop their decent into what was NL1, a blatant and obvious attempt at cheating.
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| Quote: lothlorian "Technically we werent over the cap, we deferred payments to pay for Fielden and Dobson. It was a loop hole so we were charged with going against the spirit of the salary cap. I nice made up rule that nobody had ever heard of. Be interesting to see when the clubs involved in the tax avoidance investigation will be deemed as going against the spirit of the cap.'"
but that was not the first time you were fined because of salary cap indescresions though was it?
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| Quote: Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy "I hear DaveO is preparing a nice cream tea to welcome you back. Even cut the crusts off the sandwiches.'"
Don't eat that crap. On a pint and kebab man if daveO is buying
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Intrinsically linked to the pie eaters reference.
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| Quote: lionarmour87 "but that was not the first time you were fined because of salary cap indescresions though was it?'"
As for a few clubs around that time!
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| Quote: St pete "Did you or did you not break the salary cap?'"
technically no. Hence being charged with going against the spirit of the cap rather than breaching it !!
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| Quote: lothlorian "technically no. '"
So yes then.
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| Quote: mistermoo "So yes then.
so NO hence never been charged with breaching the cap
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| Quote: lothlorian "technically no. Hence being charged with going against the spirit of the cap rather than breaching it !!'"
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| Quote: lothlorian "so NO hence never been charged with breaching the cap
Technically No = YES.
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| It was a technical loophole (used in Australia) that Wigan used. The RFL then made up a new charge of "against the spirit of the cap". They then changed the cap rules so as not to allow deferred payments.
It's a bit like being fined for doing 39 mph in a 40 mph zone and the council then making it a 30 mph zone and fining you retrospectively. (a bit simplistic I know, but you get the argument)
What will be interesting is what will happen to ALL the clubs who have been misusing EBT and image right payments to players. Will that be "against the spirit of the cap" or will it be swept under the carpet.
What should happen is that ALL the clubs and ALL the players who have benefited from these payments should be named in the RL press, but I'm not holding my breath.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "
What will be interesting is what will happen to ALL the clubs who have been misusing EBT and image right payments to players. Will that be "against the spirit of the cap" or will it be swept under the carpet.
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By all, you mean Wigan, Leeds and Warrington? And before you give us some claptrap about one of your "sources" down the pub or at an under 4's game telling you differently, no, Saints arent looking at a huge Inland Revenue retrospective tax bill like Wigan are, because we didnt abuse it like Wigan did.
Dont believe me? Wait and see.
As for the last part, I would imagine a line would be drawn under the whole matter and no fines/points deduction will be issued as its a totally different thing to what Wigan did. Wigan purposley circumvented the cap, the whole image rights thing was done within the constraints of the cap. £1.6million was still spent on wages during the year, just HMRC reveived less in tax and the players received more. Its a bit unfair to now penalise clubs who have an additional tax liability for prior years, when at the time of wages/tax, were still within the limit of the cap.
Wigan just went out and spent too much and then tried to make the RFL look like mugs. Totally different scenario to the whole image right thing.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "It was a technical loophole (used in Australia) that Wigan used. The RFL then made up a new charge of "against the spirit of the cap". They then changed the cap rules so as not to allow deferred payments.
It's a bit like being fined for doing 39 mph in a 40 mph zone and the council then making it a 30 mph zone and fining you retrospectively. (a bit simplistic I know, but you get the argument)
What will be interesting is what will happen to ALL the clubs who have been misusing EBT and image right payments to players. Will that be "against the spirit of the cap" or will it be swept under the carpet.
What should happen is that ALL the clubs and ALL the players who have benefited from these payments should be named in the RL press, but I'm not holding my breath.'"
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