as has been said already! Leeds have played some great attacking rugby in 07,08 and 09! Our attack has got better under bluey imo. I've also seen great attacking play from other teams in 09! I enjoyed this season very much! For me the comp is tighter than ever!

Again I'm not trolling but I think it's fair to say it's no suprise that the fans of the team that benefits the least from a slower play the ball are complaining the most!

I find it ironic that now the interpritation of the rules don't play into your hands as they did previous you are sending the rfl a pertition to change the rules!

you claim your on some crusade to save the game! when most fans of most clubs feel the comp is as open as it's ever been and was the best sl so far! As a Leeds fan watching my team and as a neutral watching sky I can honestly say I didn't once think it was boring!

as saints fans you keep going on about 5 drives and a kick! but it is a corner stone of our game and a must at times, to be honest I wish Leeds did it more at times instead of throwing it around so much! but from the outside looking in I think the 5 drives and a kick is an issue you have with the saints coaching staff!

you were more than happy with 5 scoots and a kick or 5 scoots and 5 attempts to milk a penalty.

nothing do with fact wire bradford hull wernt in playoffs? who would of all had alot more fans than huddesfield and catalans

You're watching the wrong team .

Entertainment is a purely subjective thing. Certainly not transferrable across all frames of reference.

But if you are asking me - are you sick of Leeds and Saints playing out each and every GF then the answer is yes.

Not at Leeds. We've played some quality stuff this year.

I think this thread simply displays the arrogance of fans of "the mighty S". Their team is going through a transition, their new coach has introduced a more rigid style of play and all of a sudden we need a petition to change the way the game is played.

Get over yourselves. You really are just a small town in Wigan who have over-achieved during the Sl era. You're not all that.

I think it only goes to show how some people at other clubs never quite saw the entertainment that we used to see at Saints because if they have not noticed how utterly boring the fare is on the pitch then they must have had some pretty boring times over the years.

Forget this year's play-the-ball directive, for the last three years I have been saying it and 2009 just took the biscuit. The game is dull, monotonous and repetitive. I don't think there was more than two or three televised games that displayed any entertaining passages of rugby.

We cannot be accused of saying this because we haven't won anything because a trawl through the archives at Redvee will tell you that this was first flagged up back in 2006, when we won the lot.

There is no flair in the game, there is no pace and, unfortunately, good defences and good coaching has taken away all the individuality, craft and passages of open football and it has been replaced by seventeen robotic, functional performers, playing to a set strategy of playing it safe, driving it, making the odd scoot and kicking it, should we be fortunate enough to see them see out a set of six without an unforced handling error.

The Wales-England game summed it all up with not one entertaining try on show. Weight of pressure has now become the only way to score. Tries from your own half have become a thing of the past.

I don't care if Saints don't win anything for years. I don't care if we finish in the bottom three, I just want to go to a game and feel that I have watched the game I fell in love with. I just want to see some fluid passing movements, open rugby and some genuine flair.

Rugby League is now duller than Rugby Union. At least you see some flair in that game, some passing and some decent tries. You couldn't sell this game of Rugby League to even the most gullible of fools at the moment.

yeah those tries that people score - they're just the worst aren't they.

Fancy a rugby league team scoing tries - whatever next

Course we didn't. You're the mighty S. How can anyone live up to that?

See my post above regarded deluded arrogance.

If you think modern day Rugby League is entertaining then you clearly never saw the game when it was.

If you find five drives and a kick exciting, good luck to you.

If you'd rather watch robots than flair players, I am sure you're happy.

If you want to see the players from the most repetitive league in world rugby get their bottoms spanked by the Aussies, year after year, because they are simply bigger than us and size is all that matters in the biff-bash era, then I'm sure you will be having the time of your life.

I've been watching the game for quite some time thank you. My avatar should offer something of a clue.

We're not coached by Mick Potter so its' not a style of rugby I have had to endure.

I am thank you. Plenty of flair on offer at Headingley.

I want to see us compete internationally. That is what we're trying to achieve with slower PTB's. You appear to want to see basketball with your star player who couldn't make it as a half back coming off the bench after 20 mins and scooting away from dummy half.

None of this alters the fact that its' Saints who have altered the way the have played. Saints who have had a poor season. Saints arrogant fans who think that must mean the game is in some sort of turmoil.

I'd venture that had you not faced us in the last 3 Grand Finals this would not even be an issue.

Oh for goodness sake does this board have a complete lack of humour??

How on earth do you know how long I have/have not been watching rugby?

But I do maintain that there is still flair on the rugby league pitch. Amazing tries with wonderful passwork, stunning solo efforts and yes tries from sheer power and that is entertaining.

So if it wasn't an issue, why have people been flagging it up since before the end of the successful 2006 season?

Since the penny dropped that we were being short changed in terms of entertainment, we have actually won seven pieces of silverware.

Saints are playing little differently than we did under Anderson, contrary to belief. Our beef is not with the style we are playing per se, it's the overall change of the Rugby Leagie product from one where teams (generally) took risks, threw the ball about and entertained the public, rather than bashing it down the middle.

Teams and coaches no longer try to score from anywhere on the park, they merely try to attain field position so that they can be closer to the line to plough over.

Rugby League has effectively gone down the avenue that the Leeds United and Arsenal football teams did in the 70s and the way the Italians have always played that game. Whereas the emphasis used to be primarily on attack minded football, it is now defensive minded. The moves and set-plays are predictable, everyone knows what is going to happen next but no-one cares as long as they don't concede. No-one tries to outscore the opposition, they simply contain the opposition and just hope something eventually happens at the other end.

All as I know is that I know not just Saints supporters but a good sprinkling of Wigan and Warrington ones too and the complaint is always the same. For the first 18 years of me watching the game, from 1987 to 2005, I could count the number of games I was bored at on one hand. Even one-sided games provided thrilling bouts of spell-binding rugby. Over the last three or four years, at least half the games I have been to have bored me out of my skull and it's exactly the same when I watch other teams play on Sky. Watch a tries compilation and 95% are the same as the last one. Play-the-ball, one pass to the side, crash over. Hurrah! What fun.

The game is now every bit as boring as the one that Union fans used to accuse it of being. It's simply thirteen blokes bashing into each other. A bit of trench warfare where you can hope to gain a bit of territory now and again on the rare occasions that the skill-less fookers actually manage to keep hold of the ball or the one solitary pass to the side doesn't get hopelessly and needlessly mis-directed.

I enjoyed the game significantly more, when we won nothing in the early 90s, than I have done the last four seasons when we have won a significant amount of silverware. Trophies are not everything to us, as it would appear to be for you lot, and I don't get blinkered into thinking the game is fantastic entertainment just because we happen to finally have a properly succesful period for the first time since the late 1960s/early 1970s. I just want to enjoy the eighty minutes spectacle and not be bored rigid. We beat Wigan in the semi-final and I wasn't excited, I just felt disappointment that not even that game could bring some entertainment.

I am very disillusioned with the sport over here at the moment but there was some hope for me as I watched the latter NRL games where there was some attempt at least by some players to try something different.

My real hope is that the Aussies and Kiwis come here, show us a display of attacking football and give us a right royal thumping or two because the only way we will shake the game up in this country is for us to see that the sterile crap we are all producing is only going to take us further behind and drive the fans away in their droves. Whether they have the inclination to entertain while they can simply walk through us wih negative tactics, remains to be seen.

At the end of the day, negative, defensive Rugby League has been found to be more effective than positive, attacking, flair play and that's what frightens me with regard to the future of this game.

I've been in love with the sport for 22 years but I can see that, in a few years time, I may not be able to take what has happened to the former greatest game any more. It's too painful to see what has happened to the game I loved.

I've watched RL for 30 years and I have never seen a winger hoof the ball in the air from the touchline on halfway to be caught mid-field by the stand off, who then raced away to score under the sticks. That try against Cats was the first time I'd ever seen that. My jaw hit the floor. It had skill, pace and it took real flair to even imagine you could pull it off - let alone in a playoff semi-final. What else do they want? Oh..of course, they don't want to watch Leeds doing it.

Oh goodie. The game is saved. Long live the Rhinos.

You actually scored three great tries that game, to be fair.

As it happened though I saw a Saints prop, Brett Goldspink, burst down the flank and kick in field for one of our players to score in more or less the same fashion, in 1998.

Look, we can all point to the odd incident which will prove which ever point you want to make, like there were undoubtedly terribly boring games in 1989 but, generally, such exciting passages of play are significantly lesser than they once were. The game, as a whole, is dreary and even close matches have a mildly sedative effect. I bet there were neutrals nodding off with one point in it in the Grand Final.