They have two other good hookers including test player David Faiumu

he's improved massively since he was at a last year, but i still woulnt ay he was the best young english hooker, roby and houghton are both above him for me. kaye, netherton and that young leeds hooker all look fairley good to.

I don't think anyone on here is suggesting he's better than Roby ... it's just that with a few years of 1st team and a man of steel award under his belt we no longer consider him a 'young player'.

fair enough, you can see why a fan from the outsie why someone might class him as a young player. I would still rate houghton as better though, really impressed with that lad everytime i see him.

Correct, we no longer think of Roby or Jammer for that matter as young

They are still young but they have the experience.

Are 23 year olds still young players?

Yip, as rule 34a, appendix b14 of the RL rule book states "a young or youth player is classed as so until they reach the age of 24"

They are at Saints.

@ Rogue

It must work him up so much that we are in fact a better side then his. A team made up of some older players (yes one may be going to prison and one likes a bet) but his team is made up of a bloke named "Piggy", a bus driver beater, a manic depressive and now new to the Wigan Warriors Sporting Clinic at the superbly named Dave Whelan is a man who likes a bet and a good booze session.

I'd say so. Under 25 is still young IMO.

Whelan is anti gambling.

until he's aloud to open casinos in his fitness clubs

he was pro wigan rugby league 2 years ago