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| Quote: Big Dave Fairleigh "On our second half performance with a LOT of tough calls against us including the disallowed try, I would say that we deserved a draw and should have had it.
WTF were we thinking in the penultimate set that we had. It was a cert drop goal from 10 yards out and we went for glory.
Bad decision not to take the draw and be content. Even the HKR fans must have thought WTF have they done in just throwing the game away.
A draw would have kept the unbeaten home run going and was the least we deserved.
It wasn't great rugby but we showed a lot of heart and the kids played very well indeed.
Disappointed as it could have still been 23 years or whatever since they beat us at home.'"
The disallowed try was for a pass that was a mile forward - you can't expect to get away with those types of passes forever.
And as for deserving a draw; the fact is you opted to go for a drop goal with 10mins to go instead of going for the kill which shows your side lacked bottle in the face of a defence who fronted up.
Saints can play some skillful RL at times but in any game were the going gets tough (Wire aside), your team goes into it's shell resulting in weak options like dropping a goal with 10mins to go - in harsh terms this is the choice of a team full of "flat-track bullies".
The return fixture promises to be another great match but whether both teams have their respective players missing from last night or both suffer further injuries, I fully expect another hard fought Rovers victory whilst you have as poor a back 3 as Wellens, Gardner and Armstrong.
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38511.jpg [b:3v5chy3z]Brian McDermott paraphrased Peter Fox.
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| Quote: Judder Man "Do you think we should ask for reduced admission prices when Ian Smith Referees.................garbage officiating should warrant garbage prices.'"
smith hasn't officiated at that many of saints' games though has he,since anderson banished him elsewhere on gameday?
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| Quote: Ashmeister "Saints did NOT recieve 1 penalty in the second half. Says it all really!
Ian Smith you're a wan*er!'"
What about the knock on that he let go that your team scored from.
Head high by Maurie, lucky to be on the field in my opinion.
You played poor get over it.
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| I think smith was as bad to both teams, and i really dont rate him at all, but the match was awesome and he didn't ruin it
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| Quote: saint billy "A referee could cheat for several reasons, such as he dislikes a certain club, he dislikes a certain person involved with that club. It is easy for a referee to make things up, he can claim to see things that no-body else has.'"
So you are [ireally[/i suggesting Ian Smith is a bent ref. Nothing to do with giving what he saw?
I'm not saying every decision he made was correct.
I look forward to reading about Smith not being a ref in the next few weeks. If he is cheating then surely the club will complain? other team? the fans? and he will be remove from being a ref.
Quote: saint billy "It does my head in when people say things such as the referee doesn't knock on and the referee doesn't miss tackle. The fact is, if a referee constantly hammers a side with penalty's the other side will score eventually as the pressure will get to the other team and they will tire. '"
But it is true.
Quote: saint billy "I agree, it must have all been Longs fault. '"
Where have I said that?
Quote: saint billy "Not Wheelers for taking it on his own, not Gardner's for dropping it earlier on when he could have scored, not Grahams for giving away the penalty at the end that lead to them kicking the penalty, not Gidley's for making two breaks and failing to look for his wing man. Just Longs because he was the only one that made an incorrect decision. '"
I figured all of those could be encompassed in the phrase "taking the wrong option".
Quote: saint billy "All because hes better than Matty Smith.
In your opinion.
Ignore the actually arguement i have put forward, revert to the typecast.
I actually thought Longy was our best player last night, apart from not taking the drop goal near the end.
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| Quote: ST_CONROY "So you are [ireally[/i suggesting Ian Smith is a bent ref. Nothing to do with giving what he saw?
I'm not saying every decision he made was correct.
I look forward to reading about Smith not being a ref in the next few weeks. If he is cheating then surely the club will complain? other team? the fans? and he will be remove from being a ref.
But it is true.
Where have I said that?
I figured all of those could be encompassed in the phrase "taking the wrong option".
In your opinion.
Ignore the actually arguement i have put forward, revert to the typecast.
I actually thought Longy was our best player last night, apart from not taking the drop goal near the end.'"
The club should complain, as Anderson did last year. Complaining is pointless when no matter what is said, Cummings just defends the referees. I never said he was bent, he is generally a shocking referee, and as others have said, is not SL Standard, and i've never once seen him have a good game. Cummings must have seen a problem with Smith last year to allow Anderson to dictate wether we have him or not, then Anderson leaves and we have him twice in three games. Coincidence?
It might be true that the referee doesn't miss tackles, but like i said, if he constantly penalties a team then eventually they will crack and tire, not because of bad defence, but purely because of the amount of defence they have had to do, which is the referees fault.
You singled out Long for taking the wrong option, yet you failed to point out several other players who made errors through-out the game, that was the point i was making.
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| Quote: General Zod. "Have a look at the 2008 SL table - idiot!'"
that was so last season though
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| Quote: saint billy "The club should complain, as Anderson did last year. Complaining is pointless when no matter what is said, Cummings just defends the referees. I never said he was bent, he is generally a shocking referee, and as others have said, is not SL Standard, and i've never once seen him have a good game. Cummings must have seen a problem with Smith last year to allow Anderson to dictate wether we have him or not, then Anderson leaves and we have him twice in three games. Coincidence?
It might be true that the referee doesn't miss tackles, but like i said, if he constantly penalties a team then eventually they will crack and tire, not because of bad defence, but purely because of the amount of defence they have had to do, which is the referees fault.
You singled out Long for taking the wrong option, yet you failed to point out several other players who made errors through-out the game, that was the point i was making.'"
So which player in particular do you think Smith dilikes enough to start imagining infringements and penalising his team for them?
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| Quote: EL CAMO "So which player in particular do you think Smith dilikes enough to start imagining infringements and penalising his team for them?
I don't think its a particular player, i think its more along the lines of the club as a whole.
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| Quote: saint billy "I don't think its a particular player, i think its more along the lines of the club as a whole.
Well then he balances out the fact that Ganson is a born and bred Saints fan doesn't he.
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Dwarfs, Gnomes, Halflings/GNOME2.JPG The new young dynasty of super saints is coming to a ground near you.
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| Quote: Jonesy's a Legend "smith hasn't officiated at that many of saints' games though has he,since anderson banished him elsewhere on gameday?'"
4 games last year, 2 out of our first 3 games this year. Lost 4 games out of 6, 2 games were with controverisial circumstances hence no more games afters Andersons spat.
Having watched rugby league for a long, long time, worse referee have seen for a long, long time. Some of his decision making he just makes up in his head.
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11659.jpg Phil Bentham scoured the video tape and despite conclusive evidence that Smith was a half yard offside, he allowed the try to stand.
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Add two World Club Championships to that and you have the roll-call of the best rugby league team this country has produced in the modern-era - and it's a phenomenal record.
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| Quote: General Zod. "The disallowed try was for a pass that was a mile forward - you can't expect to get away with those types of passes forever.
And as for deserving a draw; the fact is you opted to go for a drop goal with 10mins to go instead of going for the kill which shows your side lacked bottle in the face of a defence who fronted up.
Saints can play some skillful RL at times but in any game were the going gets tough (Wire aside), your team goes into it's shell resulting in weak options like dropping a goal with 10mins to go - in harsh terms this is the choice of a team full of "flat-track bullies".
The return fixture promises to be another great match but whether both teams have their respective players missing from last night or both suffer further injuries, I fully expect another hard fought Rovers victory whilst you have as poor a back 3 as Wellens, Gardner and Armstrong.'"
I was behind the sticks at the other end, my gripe is that the touch judge seemed to wait for the try to be scored before getting involved. Suspicious indeed but I can't comment on whether it was forward or not.
We did deserve a draw, end of story, taking a drop as early as 10 to go is not something we normally do but let's face it you never got close to getting over after it did you?????? Not even close once. The penalty won you the game.
The decision on the first drop was not a bad one, it underlined the belief in our defence to hold you out which it did. It was only breached three times, one with a disputed try that hardly anyone can confirm was legit and came off a hopeful punt down the field and another from a high kick. You had loads of territory and possession and couldn't turn it into the tries to reflect that. Our defence is still awesome.
I don't know how you can say we go into our shell in tough games, when we have lost less matches in 5 years than anyone else. Most of those games have been tough and in plenty we've had the ringcraft to win them from losing positions. You're simply talking rubbish about that.
It just wasn't our night in attack with a patched up side, and Rovers played very well indeed. They're the simple facts. I'd have been happy with a draw.
In my opinion we bombed the draw and gave it away. We could and should have tied it up with a 2nd drop with 2 mins to go. We could not have been any closer and under the sticks as well, and Long even dropped back a bit for prime position but the ball was moved wide instead. BAD OPTION INDEED.
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