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| Quote: Andy R "This is the sort of thread I'd expect from clueless Leeds fans. The guy has taken you to a Grand Final already, which many would say you were unlucky to lose (Shenton and Wellens injuries), has integrated a whole host of young players into your squad, many in key positions and has seemingly coped well with the losses of the likes of KC and Graham.
You won't be the only good side to be beaten by a very good Catalans side this year either'"
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| I wouldn't renew his contract and would offer to give him a lift to the airport. The guy is probably a good assistant and talks a good game but thats it I think. His recruitment has been OK as he has added the experience we need plus they tried for Griffin but he went to Leeds because Saints wouldn't match there offer. I wont go into finances but I can assure you it really wasn't a lot more he was asking for. As for Simmons though Saints seem clueless in attack and I think that is down to wests, at wests he was working with Marshall (enough said) the only real move I have seen is the drop off back inside which is useless when overused and compared to the NRL we're moving like slugs and it's easily picked off. His sub policy is killing us and our defence is a joke. This isn't even a knee jerk reaction! Last year we were very poor at defending our own line and after listening to him at a fan forum last year it's no wander we never look up for a game he bored me half to death.
I hope McManus is roaming the globe looking for a good replacement cause I think we are on a downward spiral at the moment.
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| Quote: SomersetSaint "You are correct, whwn the game was going according to gameplan saints were well on top, only when cats started to throw the ball about and move away from their plan did they get on top. At that stage the experience of the cats squad overtook the youth of saints and we couldn't stick with them. It's febatable whether that's the coaches fault or not. Either way we have up learn and move on, not chick the baby out with the bath water.'"
Robbie Paul made an interesting comment on last weeks SLS about edge defences not being set until after the first quarter of the season, that would explain the difference in the defence once Catalan started spreading the ball and testing our edge defence far more.
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| It's the policies that get me and his blind use of them no matter what the opponent. He seems to have a general game plan and doesn't cater it to individual opponents.
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| All this after only one defeat... I dread to think what's coming from the knee-jerk brigade after we've lost a few more over the next few weeks and end up down in 6th or 7th place come May as will likely be the case...
Everyone needs to remind themselves - it simply doesn't matter how we're playing right now. Resting and rotating players as much as possible (as Royce is doing) at this point and saving ourselves for the business end of the season is what we should be concentrating on and picking up a few defeats along the way is all fine and dandy frankly, no matter how worrying the late collapses we're developing the habit of seem to be on the face of it. Royce showed me enough last season to prove that he knows what he's doing and I'll judge him based on our performance in September, not now. If we were dominating teams, looking rock-solid in defence and winning every game with ease now, THEN I'd start worrying... We looked a lot worse than we do now at the same stage of the season last year and that all turned out 'reet ultimately I think it's fair to say?
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "It's the policies that get me and his blind use of them no matter what the opponent. He seems to have a general game plan and doesn't cater it to individual opponents.'"
I would say he did exactly that last might by going with 3 props from the start, as oppose to the first couple of games where wilkin was 13.
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| Quote: SomersetSaint "I would say he did exactly that last might by going with 3 props from the start, as oppose to the first couple of games where wilkin was 13.'"
But how do you explain not using Lance effectively?
Resting our biggest player against one the biggest packs?
Resting one of our in form players in Dixon against one of the better sides we will come up against?
Starting with 3 props is what he usually likes to do, so I'd imagine he may have been waiting for TP to return to full fitness before implementing this tactic.
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "But how do you explain not using Lance effectively?
Resting our biggest player against one the biggest packs?
Resting one of our in form players in Dixon against one of the better sides we will come up against?
Starting with 3 props is what he usually likes to do, so I'd imagine he may have been waiting for TP to return to full fitness before implementing this tactic.'"
I don't like saying this but I'd get shut now and put KP in charge until we find a good proper coach. Of he's left to continue he will set us back years.
The fact he's signed a 32yr old back row as our replacement for jammer means the next coach has to try and get a prop in as Royce didn't.
Same with lance, he's signed a fullback to cover the loss of our scrum half when we are in desperate need for a experinced halfback and the next coach has to deal with this problem as well.
I think not many would relish taking over with the above recruitment mess and worst thing is they are both quota players.
#mess
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "But how do you explain not using Lance effectively?
Resting our biggest player against one the biggest packs?
Resting one of our in form players in Dixon against one of the better sides we will come up against?
Starting with 3 props is what he usually likes to do, so I'd imagine he may have been waiting for TP to return to full fitness before implementing this tactic.'"
In terms of bringing lance on, he wasn't replacing a tired player, he could have come on for roby, but that would mean taking off out best player. Take off Gaskell and lose our best kicker, take off lomax and lose nother real attacking threat. Wellens? Maybe.
Leaving out perry was part of our rotation, and many people reckon he's been our most inneffective prop this season, heaviest or not. Dixon was rotated, of the back rowers he could have rested soliola or wilkin, both big game players that we needed. Am sure a case could be made hoe all the decisions, and had we hung on for an extra few seconds last night, would have been justified. After all for most of the game we were the better side.
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| Quote: SomersetSaint "In terms of bringing lance on, he wasn't replacing a tired player, he could have come on for roby, but that would mean taking off out best player. Take off Gaskell and lose our best kicker, take off lomax and lose nother real attacking threat. Wellens? Maybe.
Leaving out perry was part of our rotation, and many people reckon he's been our most inneffective prop this season, heaviest or not. Dixon was rotated, of the back rowers he could have rested soliola or wilkin, both big game players that we needed. Am sure a case could be made hoe all the decisions, and had we hung on for an extra few seconds last night, would have been justified. After all for most of the game we were the better side.'"
If we need to be resting players in the first three weeks of the season then we have trouble ahead.
Funny how he constantly moaned he couldn't pick a settled team last year due to Injuries yet he's swapping and changing every week.
How can makinson need a rest after one game? He's 20 years old and fit as a fiddle.
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| Quote: St pete "If we need to be resting players in the first three weeks of the season then we have trouble ahead.
Funny how he constantly moaned he couldn't pick a settled team last year due to Injuries yet he's swapping and changing every week.
How can makinson need a rest after one game? He's 20 years old and fit as a fiddle.'"
I guess it is partly due to resting, but also partly due to having so many players competing for the same positions. I'd sooner him experiment with the side now and have a settled team cum play off time, than stock with one group now.
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| Quote: SomersetSaint "I guess it is partly due to resting, but also partly due to having so many players competing for the same positions. I'd sooner him experiment with the side now and have a settled team cum play off time, than stock with one group now.'"
I'd rather him get his best team on the pitch, come up with some plays and get his tactics sorted.
He's unsettling players and nobody knows if he's playing, no matter how he's playing.
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| Quote: St pete "If we need to be resting players in the first three weeks of the season then we have trouble ahead.
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He's not resting them. He has stated quite openly in the press that he is wanting to keep them fit. He is not letting players play who have so much as a bruise on their little finger. His aim, as he has also stated clearly in the press, is to enable our players to have something left at the end of the season. Presumably the coaching staff has come to the conclusion that our grand final losses are at least in part down to being out of gass and playing on injuries.
I think the bloke is just trying his best to put right a wrong and I think we need to give him time to do that now that he has a full team (assuming Shenny and TP are not now out injured of course).
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| Quote: SaintsFan "He's not resting them. He has stated quite openly in the press that he is wanting to keep them fit. He is not letting players play who have so much as a bruise on their little finger. His aim, as he has also stated clearly in the press, is to enable our players to have something left at the end of the season. Presumably the coaching staff has come to the conclusion that our grand final losses are at least in part down to being out of gass and playing on injuries.
I think the bloke is just trying his best to put right a wrong and I think we need to give him time to do that now that he has a full team (assuming Shenny and TP are not now out injured of course).'"
If he's not picking players that little bruises then we shouldn't have a team to pick. If players are coming off the field without a bruise then they ain't getting involved in the game.
Not picking players with a bruise on little finger FFS he gets better!
I'm starting to think that Royce Simmons on twitter really is him.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "He's not resting them. He has stated quite openly in the press that he is wanting to keep them fit. He is not letting players play who have so much as a bruise on their little finger. His aim, as he has also stated clearly in the press, is to enable our players to have something left at the end of the season. Presumably the coaching staff has come to the conclusion that our grand final losses are at least in part down to being out of gass and playing on injuries.
I think the bloke is just trying his best to put right a wrong and I think we need to give him time to do that now that he has a full team (assuming Shenny and TP are not now out injured of course).'"
If he wants to protect his players then start using his four subs and not let them stay in the pitch while out on their feet while a back sits on his backside
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