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Quote: sgtwilko "Its one call!! The refs do make mistakes!! There are plenty in every game!! '"

Well, yes, exactly. It's about the ref's incompetence, not about Saints' fans' feelings. Like I just said! icon_rolleyes.gif

And Thaler owning up and saying sorry makes not a smidgen of difference. Since refs nanny players now by doing the counting for them, he should make damn sure he gets the numbers right otherwise he could lose someone a match.

Not that there's a damn thing anyone could do about it. Our refs are entirely lacking in accountability, which IMO is entirely wrong.

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Phil Bentham scoured the video tape and despite conclusive evidence that Smith was a half yard offside, he allowed the try to stand. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saints are a big-game team with bags of big-game experience. They have won five Challenge Cups from six final appearances in the Super League era and have won five Grand Finals in that time too. Add two World Club Championships to that and you have the roll-call of the best rugby league team this country has produced in the modern-era - and it's a phenomenal record. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ancient & Royal wrote.... "You are proud to be associated with that dis-organised band of mercenaries? I am ashamed to be a Wigan fan hell yes, what have we got to be un-ashamed about? We are a joke, a laughing stock, we are NOTHING, why cant people understand!":11659.jpg



Quote: sgtwilko "well of course you would as this style of refing doesn't play into saints hands!! Of course your gonna be pi$$ed off when the game isn't refed to work to saints advantage!! Saints are always looking for the penalty! all Thailer does is tell teams to shut up and get on with it!! I would much rather see a games that thailer refs as he isn't forever marching teams around the park!! I'm sick of refs like ganson, smith and bentham deciding who wins the arm wrestle with pen after pen!! It's killing the game!!'"
That's exactly the problem, the referee by doing nothing to control the PTB is deciding who wins the armwrestle by allowing foul play to go unpunished! It was a disgrace and like someone has posted, reached new levels last night. Have you noticed we are still top and in the cup despite the poor enforcement at the PTB, not because of it. Teams need to step up to the standards of Saints and Leeds, not the RFL and referees drag us down with their directives. They do still penalise for holding down in the NRL you know! If this carries on it will ruin the spectacle and standards will go down and not up. So will fitness levels if a quick play the ball becomes as rare as a Hot Sunny day. I'll tell you what let's go back to freezing cold winter rugby, 6 inches of mud and 6-4 scorelines every single week. I'm sure it was John Kear who said that last year on telly(in jest).

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Quote: Big Dave Fairleigh "That's exactly the problem, the referee by doing nothing to control the PTB is deciding who wins the armwrestle by allowing foul play to go unpunished! It was a disgrace and like someone has posted, reached new levels last night. Have you noticed we are still top and in the cup despite the poor enforcement at the PTB, not because of it. Teams need to step up to the standards of Saints and Leeds, not the RFL and referees drag us down with their directives. They do still penalise for holding down in the NRL you know! If this carries on it will ruin the spectacle and standards will go down and not up. So will fitness levels if a quick play the ball becomes as rare as a Hot Sunny day. I'll tell you what let's go back to freezing cold winter rugby, 6 inches of mud and 6-4 scorelines every single week. I'm sure it was John Kear who said that last year on telly.'"


Totally agree, they keep on saying that superleague is levelling out because of the salary cap. the real reason is because creative play is now stifled because the game is slowed right down at the play the ball. The mediocre teams are not complaining though, the last 4 play off teams will probably be decided on points scored difference.
Another point to raise is that the ref in allowing all this messing around at the tackle/play the ball has near enough made the yellow card redundant, even a high tackle isn't carded anymore its just put on report.

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Quote: sgtwilko "You all need to have a good nights rest, watch the game again!! And you will see that's how the game should be refed!! In the nrl thailer would be praised !! He just lets the teams get on with it where as ganson, smith and Bentham have their neb in when it's not needed!! When you get thailer the teams decide the result not the officials!! he's the best ref in sl by a mile!! But those of you who Want the ref to give you field position instead of a good kicking game will disagree'"


This is probably the worst post I have ever read. The referees job is to referee not let them get on with it.

If you are trolling well done you havecaught me hook line and sinker. If you are serious them you should chnage the name to Bilko instead of Wilko.

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Quote: hooperman "This is probably the worst post I have ever read. The referees job is to referee not let them get on with it.

If you are trolling well done you havecaught me hook line and sinker. If you are serious them you should chnage the name to Bilko instead of Wilko.'"


Yep, you've been trolloped I'm afraid.

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[quote="Odemwingie":34o3cs52] I hope his career is over.(regarding danny mcguires injury 2010 play offs)[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Ewwenorfolk":34o3cs52] I'm glad McGuire got injured, hope he's out for about 10 months[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Bulls4Champs2010":34o3cs52]Price, Civ, Beaver, Moz and Wiki. Peacock is not in the catagory of these special players.[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="McLaren_Field":34o3cs52] To be fair, their teams are also inconsequential to their own fans judging by the amount of traffic that all the other boards get [/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Warrington Wolf":34o3cs52]If you win the weekly rounds then without doubt you are the champions.[/quote:34o3cs52]:



Quote: hooperman "This is probably the worst post I have ever read'"
yeah well now you know how I feel when some saints retard posts that pryce is world class!!

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Quote: sgtwilko "yeah well now you know how I feel when some saints retard posts that pryce is world class!!'"


there is only one world class player born in this country and that my friend is one Kieran Cunningham END OF icon_razz.gif

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Quote: sgtwilko "You all need to have a good nights rest, watch the game again!! And you will see that's how the game should be refed!! In the nrl thailer would be praised !! He just lets the teams get on with it where as ganson, smith and Bentham have their neb in when it's not needed!! When you get thailer the teams decide the result not the officials!! he's the best ref in sl by a mile!! But those of you who Want the ref to give you field position instead of a good kicking game will disagree'"


i agree sgt wilko, this thread was set up and since the first post there have been twenty odd posts jumping on the bandwagon.

yes he made mistakes, notably the 5th tackle which was 4th. every ref makes mistakes in every sport, but i think friday nights decisions were not mistakes in the main. He noticed unsporting antics and decided there was no disadvantages so why slow play down and penalise minor misdemeanors.

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Quote: hooperman "This is probably the worst post I have ever read. The referees job is to referee not let them get on with it.

If you are trolling well done you havecaught me hook line and sinker. If you are serious them you should chnage the name to Bilko instead of Wilko.'"


surely the referee is allowed to use his discretion.

Because pooperman, if not then we might as well just let eddie and stevo ref the game on tv. scrutisnise every decision and end up playing 4hours like american football.

truth in the matter is "pooperman" refs get the blame from the majority of losers fans! yes, wiganers.
And then from the winners, because a minority of fans are just grumpy ole gits!

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So are we all agreed now?

The ref was shocking at enforcing the play the ball and the amount of holding down that was permitted was way over the top. Thaler is a weak and lazy referee, needed to set the stall out early with a few pens for holding down, then the players know where they stand and get their act together. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: jonah77 "surely the referee is allowed to use his discretion.

Because pooperman, if not then we might as well just let eddie and stevo ref the game on tv. scrutisnise every decision and end up playing 4hours like american football.

truth in the matter is "pooperman" refs get the blame from the majority of losers fans! yes, wiganers.
And then from the winners, because a minority of fans are just grumpy ole gits!'"


I take it you are fourteen years old and just going through puberty so I will ignore the pathetic attempt to rile me. If the ref uses his discretion, then he is getting involved Wilkos post was all about referees not getting involved and letting people get on with it.

Your context, like your wit, is very poor.

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Quote: sgtwilko "yeah well now you know how I feel when some saints retard posts that pryce is world class!!'"


I am glad you agree that your post is poor.

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Quote: hooperman "I take it you are fourteen years old and just going through puberty so I will ignore the pathetic attempt to rile me. If the ref uses his discretion, then he is getting involved Wilkos post was all about referees not getting involved and letting people get on with it.

Your context, like your wit, is very poor.'"
if we followed your rules we would all be listening to

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[quote="Odemwingie":34o3cs52] I hope his career is over.(regarding danny mcguires injury 2010 play offs)[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Ewwenorfolk":34o3cs52] I'm glad McGuire got injured, hope he's out for about 10 months[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Bulls4Champs2010":34o3cs52]Price, Civ, Beaver, Moz and Wiki. Peacock is not in the catagory of these special players.[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="McLaren_Field":34o3cs52] To be fair, their teams are also inconsequential to their own fans judging by the amount of traffic that all the other boards get [/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Warrington Wolf":34o3cs52]If you win the weekly rounds then without doubt you are the champions.[/quote:34o3cs52]:



Quote: hooperman "I am glad you agree that your post is poor.'"
I think it's you who is the child!! The game is over refed!! I'm board of ganson smith and bentham!! Most of the others arnt much better!! the fact that a saints fan posted in this thread that he would rather see 30 pens in a game and 12 trys than half a dozen pens and 4 trys says it all!! As I have already said I'm sick of watching the refs march teams around the park for 80 mins!! Of course as saints fans you want this!! And it's obvious why!! But most of you are unwilling to recognize your teams floors so we can't have a reasoned debate about it!!

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the referee is there to police the established rules, otherwise the game would end up in a "free for all brawl" every match, the rules my friends have been devised over many years to produce an entertaining game and promote a fair playing field and if they are now to ignored just so the worst teams in the compitition can cheat their way to a win we all might as well start watching world wrestling . THE REF WAS CRAP AND DID NOT DO THE JOB BASED ON THE CURRENT RULE BOOK.

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