Didn't Hock go under the name of Charnock during his early days at Wigan?

I'm sure he used up the one and only chance or does the count start again if you change your name?

Hocks name was Charnley, but when his parents eventually married he took his dads name, but he always played as Gareth Hock while at Wigan. His name change was when he was much younger.

The count starts again, and again, and again when you become an established top player. If Hock was an average squad member, he wouldn't still be contracted to Wigan now. Anyone who disputes that is either naive or stupid.

Same goes for any player to a point. Clubs aren't going to release their top international players unless they really have no choice.

Does Scotty fall into that category?
(rhetorical)

He's been picked for International duty so i guess the answer would be yes - although possibly not at Saints. I think if he could buckle down and get a regular spot in the team (as was expected this year) he would be able to prove his worth. Might not get that chance now though.

Hock is a little different in that he was very established at club and country level and recognised probably as of the premier players in his position. Wigan didnt want him running off to another SL club for free so they compromised on there ethics and kept him around (His playing contract may not have been valid but I'm quite sure he never got sacked like pretty much anyone else in a real job would have been if they turned up for work off their heads). Not a first really for Wigan when it comes to signing people with dubious reputations under a cloud.. Mr Millward anyone?

Scott Moore is out driving happily along in his car late one Saturday night. Before too long, the cops pull him over. The policeman walks up to Scott and asks, "Have you been drinking, sir?"

"Why? Was I weaving all over the road?" Scott answered.

"No," replied the policeman, "you were driving splendidly. It was the ugly fat Wigan girl in the passenger seat that gave you away."

saints to sack scott moore

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Unbelievable if they do. Why not just keep him and fine every time he messes up? Unless they go and replace him it would be a terrible move, reducing the weakest squad in SL by another senior player. We'll be trotting out the Under 14s soon if we get a few more injuries.

Unless we get someone on loan to cover his loss. But it's not like there are any SL quality players available on loan anyway, I really can't see Leeds handing us Burgess for example, I'm sure they want him to go to Quins or Crusaders rather than a rival.

That's up there with your best, Saddened!.

Hand him over to Shuddersfield for Griffin.

Lunt would be a decent understudy to Roby

We already got rid of Lunt once...

Good shout.

This thread has now been locked until the case has been heard.

Doogal