FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > St. Helens > Sack the Coach
71 posts in 6 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Billinge_Lump , Saint Simon , BackrowSaint
RankPostsTeam
Administrator25122No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2017May 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
7.gif
:7.gif



Quote: barham red "Sorry I must have missed that last year's injuries were relevant to last night's match.

We won the league and prem double in '86 so should have stuffed you last night...'"


The point is - no one cared when we had injuries so I'm not going to lose any sleep over yours.

If it were impossible for teams to win with several injuries this debate might lead somewhere. But it isn't. Likewise, teams with no injuries often turn in terrible displays.

It's a factor - sure. But how much of a factor neither you nor I nor anyone else has the faintest idea.

RankPostsTeam
Administrator25122No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2017May 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
7.gif
:7.gif



Quote: bewareshadows "I'm not for sacking the coach and I would never judge a team this early.
That being said, that first half we were no were near a standard that anyone could say was average.
Ball's being thrown to no one, dropped balls people bunched together in attack like school boys all following the ball.

It was woeful.

For me Swift stood out as one of our better players. Thought dawson did ok, but can't see why we would not just play Turner there and fages as hooker???

Turner has a huge boot on him and maybe we need to use that more, but he can do 2 or 3 kicks from the centre position.
I get why he is being played at stand off as he is a strong runner, but in the middle of the park those strong runs are easily nulified. I'm not sure burns is the answer either at stand off as he brought less to that role last year than Turner.

I think fages (a half back) is the only player who we have not tried at halfback.

Wilkin can do a job, but admits he is not a natural there
Burns seems to lose his impact
Turner offers running and a big boot but is ineffective and it also means we have to patch up the centres with less attacking threats.

When Roby came on the organisation of the teams attack smartened up almost immediately. Losing Kelly stopped Hull KR scoring, but we were not looking like we were going to threaten much either. Roby got us rolling and into positions to be effective.

It's scary how much we are dependant on him and how little capability there seems to be without him.
We may have talkers across the park, but few who can on their own take action that will actually change a game.
I've no idea what we practice, but at the moment it's not good enough.

As always I'll give it the first 10 games, before I put any nails in the coffin or any pedestals out to place people on.'"


Roby is very important to our side. But it wasn't just Roby who turned things around for us.

Luke Walsh looked twice the player the moment he started getting quick and accurate service out of the dummy half.

We have to look at this problem less as a function of individual strengths or weaknesses and more in terms of the team and the whole being greater than the sum of its parts.

It's not that Walsh upped his game necessarily. It's just that he's a far less effective player when he has little of note to work with in other key positions.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach8991
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Jun 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
47035_1386433761.gif
We can be bold enough to make a stand and do battle for our views and beliefs. But we must strive to be mature enough not to resort to unnecessary personal attacks upon people with opposing views.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_47035.gif



Quote: Mugwump "Roby is very important to our side. But it wasn't just Roby who turned things around for us.

Luke Walsh looked twice the player the moment he started getting quick and accurate service out of the dummy half.

'"


icon_lol.gif

How do I know Luke Walsh isn't just lazy instead? By the simple fact that he had no problems attacking the line BEFORE he got injured. Of course it's POSSIBLE he could have suddenly become lazy overnight for inexplicable reasons. But I think most people whose ears aren't separated by empty space will realise it isn't PROBABLE.

Now, you can stomp your feet and gnash your teeth and shout "Apologist" until you are blue in the face. None of these facts are going away. Personally I think your behavior is pretty comical. But maybe that's just my twisted sense of humour.

icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

RankPostsTeam
International Star1119No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 201212 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2020Mar 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



For what it's worth to you this is Rovers worst team in superleague with 3 forwards playing 6,7, and 9 for an hour and a host of others injured.
I watched the worst Saints team I've seen carried over the line by Roby. Terrible predictable attack, shocking marker defence I could go on.
Burns and Walsh look bad influences.
We will finish bottom 2.
You need to sort yourselves out or you'll challenge for nothing.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach899No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2019Feb 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Burtons Forearm "For what it's worth to you this is Rovers worst team in superleague with 3 forwards playing 6,7, and 9 for an hour and a host of others injured.
I watched the worst Saints team I've seen carried over the line by Roby. Terrible predictable attack, shocking marker defence I could go on.
Burns and Walsh look bad influences.
We will finish bottom 2.
You need to sort yourselves out or you'll challenge for nothing.'"


We won a Grand Final with a forward at 7, but that was only because the other forward who'd been playing 7 got injured icon_wink.gif

RankPostsTeam
International Star324No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201510 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2020May 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Good to see the usual brain dead penalties being conceded by the usual brain dead players too. LMS will be the death of my TV one day.

71 posts in 6 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Billinge_Lump , Saint Simon , BackrowSaint
71 posts in 6 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Billinge_Lump , Saint Simon , BackrowSaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


3.98974609375:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
Film game
karetaker
5627
32m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2590
35m
Transfer Talk V5
RAPIDO
502
35m
Fixtures 2025
Faithful One
64
52m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
bonaire
4013
55m
Salford
karetaker
11
Recent
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
Jack Burton
11
Recent
Dual Reg
Big lads mat
7
Recent
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
Recent
How many games will we win
bellycouldta
3
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Rumours and signings v9
NickyKiss
28895
1m
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
1m
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
2m
War of the Roses
ratticusfinc
30
2m
2025 Recruitment
Rafa9
192
2m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2590
3m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
Stu M
14
3m
Fixtures 2025
Faithful One
64
3m
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
3m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40731
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
bellycouldta
3
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
jonh
5
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
karetaker
11
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
330
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
517
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1261
England's Women Demolish The W..
1088
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1325
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1118
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1377
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1918
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2136
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2378
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1950
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2187
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2652
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2082
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2157
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.65M 1,763 ↓-15180,15514,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Thu 13th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Fri 14th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Hull KR
v
Castleford
20:00
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sat 15th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
St.Helens
v
Salford
 Sun 16th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
 Thu 20th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Wakefield
v
Hull KR
 Fri 21st Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Warrington
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
 Sat 22nd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
15:00
Salford
v
Leeds
20:00
Castleford
v
St.Helens
 Sun 23rd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
14:30
Leigh
v
Huddersfield
 Thu 6th Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
20:00
Hull FC
v
Leigh
 Fri 7th Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
20:00
Castleford
v
Salford
20:00
St.Helens
v
Hull KR
 Sat 8th Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
17:30
Catalans
v
Leeds
 Sun 9th Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
17:30
Warrington
v
Wakefield
17:30
Wigan
v
Huddersfield
 Thu 20th Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R4
20:00
Salford
v
Huddersfield
 Fri 21st Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R4
20:00
St.Helens
v
Warrington
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 4 150 48 102 8
St.Helens 4 100 32 68 6
Warrington 4 98 54 44 6
Catalans 3 60 28 32 4
Hull KR 3 54 29 25 4
Salford 3 59 54 5 4
 
Leeds 3 52 48 4 4
Huddersfield 3 32 66 -34 2
Hull FC 3 38 82 -44 2
Leigh 3 18 56 -38 0
Castleford 3 34 88 -54 0
LondonB 3 28 102 -74 0
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
Film game
karetaker
5627
32m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2590
35m
Transfer Talk V5
RAPIDO
502
35m
Fixtures 2025
Faithful One
64
52m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
bonaire
4013
55m
Salford
karetaker
11
Recent
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
Jack Burton
11
Recent
Dual Reg
Big lads mat
7
Recent
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
Recent
How many games will we win
bellycouldta
3
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Rumours and signings v9
NickyKiss
28895
1m
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
1m
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
2m
War of the Roses
ratticusfinc
30
2m
2025 Recruitment
Rafa9
192
2m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2590
3m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
Stu M
14
3m
Fixtures 2025
Faithful One
64
3m
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
3m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40731
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
bellycouldta
3
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
jonh
5
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
karetaker
11
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
330
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
517
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1261
England's Women Demolish The W..
1088
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1325
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1118
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1377
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1918
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2136
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2378
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1950
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2187
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2652
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2082
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2157


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!