Hooper always used to get caught out by the refs, no problem teams having a hardman or enforcer. But then you have to expect them to get sent off every couple of games.

Can't have it both ways which is the way Wane seams to want it. Either he's a dirty player put in there to get at teams and will get sent off occasionally, or he is there to play it by the rules.

Micky Mac should be looking at a grade D-F intentional off the ball strike to the head with clenched fist , at least 3 games and rightly so

At the time I just thought it was an ill timed tackle - but after each replay it became more and more sickening. A definite sending off and surely a ban to follow. Cannot believe Wane is disputing it.

Don't kid yourself matey - you finished top because Warrington and Leeds didn't want to and the rest of the league is garbage. The fact that you've been struggling for form of late after peaking in the middle of the season proves what a great move it's been for Wane to get you chasing the hubcab...

I thought Perry was lucky not to suffer any serious consequence for that, but having seen it again on the replay I'd say there wasn't much in it...he just dropped on Lima. Lima's reaction was OTT.

Leeds?

Jesus wept, they couldn't be less important to who finishes top if they tried.

The reason Leeds 'didn't want to win it' is because they were only good enough to beat Wigan, Saints or Wire once in the 6 league games against them.

Yes, you're absolutely right. Leeds are a terrible team who never contest big finals or anything after all, eh? They chase the top spot every season and throw everything they have into winning meaningless league games and are just too **** to win them or finish top despite all their best efforts. They weep into their pints every night at their accursedly low league position and winning at O/T is just no consolation to them at all in their agony, bless 'em.

Leeds have mastered the art of what modern SL is about - i.e. their being no point in bothering to turn up for pointless league games until August, and saving all their energy for the playoffs instead. You might still delight in the joy of actually winning [isomething[/i (no matter how unrecognised and denigrated a trophy it may be) after all those long, lonely years of mid-table obscurity and think that finishing top is a goal worth throwing everything you have at all season long. The successful clubs like us and Leeds however got bored with winning the hubcab years ago and direct our energies at the part of the season where it counts instead. The current Leeds side will be acclaimed in future generations as one of the greatest club sides of all time. So will Saints' teams of a few years ago. Your current team will merely go down in history as a footnote. So ner.

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Your spelling of the word 'simile' is incorrect.

Since your last trophy win in 2008, Wigan have won 2 major trophies/finals and finished top twice. Warrington have won 3 major trophies/finals and finished top once. Leeds have won 3 major finals/trophies and finished top once. St Helens have won..........................................nothing. Diddly squat. Ball all.

Oh, and it was a definite red card no question.

Stop living in the past you Wigan fans.......oops!

definate red card and probably 2-3 game ban.

how wane can defend that is shocking but he is his coach so feels he has to???

as for saying he is a good coach cos he won the league wire have played virtually the whole season in 2nd gear and if we beat wierdness today will have finished 1 point behind the team that bar against widnes has gone full throttle at the league.

we will see how good his coaching skills are when at the end of the season there is no

finch
luilui (sorry about spelling)
lima
carmont

3 of the most important players leaving in one go is huge that would be like taking

briers, morley, hodgson out of wire in one go
sinfield, peacock, maguire out of leeds