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| Quote: No1 Saint "Can't really argue with that, mac has to take his share of the blame but at the end of the day he's the boss and he won't sack himself. Jamie Ellis was another 7 we let go recently too whos looking like a good player'"
He was let go at the end of Potter's tenure.
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| Quote: No1 Saint "Can't really argue with that, mac has to take his share of the blame but at the end of the day he's the boss and he won't sack himself. Jamie Ellis was another 7 we let go recently too whos looking like a good player'"
Jamie Ellis was let go for off field reasons rather than on field performance. It was the right decision at the time.
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| Quote: Northampton_Saint "Whenever I hear the name "Alex Murphy" I never think of the player widely regarded as the greatest of all time in either code who spearheaded the rise of my club from utter mediocrity to becoming the greatest club in the game. I instead can only ever think of the beleaguered failure sitting on the sidelines shouting ineffectually at his team as they were overwhelmed and babbling semi-coherently in post-match interviews about it all. Please let this not ever happen to KC too...'"
To be fair to Murphy, he could never hope to match Wigan's spending. Yes, he was a bit of an anachronism in terms of coaching. But he was also unfortunate to arrive at a time when Lindsay set out to buy the league.
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| Quote: Mugwump "To be fair to Murphy, he could never hope to match Wigan's spending. Yes, he was a bit of an anachronism in terms of coaching. But he was also unfortunate to arrive at a time when Lindsay set out to buy the league.'"
But if things go wrong while Keiron is helping out, similar caveats could be applied by those who consider these things surely? 'To be fair to Cunningham, he was appointed at a time of massive upheaval and unrealistic expectations ...' That kind of thing. It would still not change the possible ultimate outcome though would it?
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| Quote: SaintsFan "But if things go wrong while Keiron is helping out, similar caveats could be applied by those who consider these things surely? 'To be fair to Cunningham, he was appointed at a time of massive upheaval and unrealistic expectations ...' That kind of thing. It would still not change the possible ultimate outcome though would it?'"
Unless Cunningham is left in charge for the entire season and performs poorly I really don't think his legacy will be tarnished in any way.
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "Jamie Ellis was let go for off field reasons rather than on field performance. It was the right decision at the time.'"
True and saints had no alternative really.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "You do keep ignoring the fact - the fact - that Hohaia has played at halfback and that is where he also played in his junior years. He was only a fullback for about the last four years. Is Sam Tomkins not a halfback because he now plays fullback?
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Keep saying it doesn't make it come true. Hohaia is a fullback who has excellent utility he is not an out an out halfback which is what we are missing. I like him as a player and I think he has great value to the squad.
Before anyone says it Leon Pryce was a different case, he didnt have a settled position but he was young and we wanted him to play 6, the big difference was we had a very experienced 7 to help him develop.
A quick look at Lance's wikipedia page tells a true story - he was utility then almost en entire season at centre then settled as a fullback for club and country.
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| Quote: Mugwump "To be fair to Murphy, he could never hope to match Wigan's spending. Yes, he was a bit of an anachronism in terms of coaching. But he was also unfortunate to arrive at a time when Lindsay set out to buy the league.'"
Indeed, and at the time I didn't blame Murphy for our utter mediocrity in that era. But you only need to compare his tenure with what McClennan did with basically the same players and the same clueless dinosaurs running the club to see that he really was never up to the job. With God as coach we couldn't have challenged the Pies during their loony period of remortgaging their own future, but we should have been closer than we were...
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| Excellent first game from these two. They had us fired up for the first time in hid knows how long. We was running hard, running faster and working harder than we have for long time.
The defence looked much more organised and we was looking to really knock them down and not just pussy foot around.
We had runners and moved the ball around like a team that had been coachesd this week.
Great to see us actully have a kicking game. Hohaia was pinning then back with some top notch kicks.
The back on the bench has gone and we are playing with 17 players again.
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| Quote: Northampton_Saint "Indeed, and at the time I didn't blame Murphy for our utter mediocrity in that era. But you only need to compare his tenure with what McClennan did with basically the same players and the same clueless dinosaurs running the club to see that he really was never up to the job. With God as coach we couldn't have challenged the Pies during their loony period of remortgaging their own future, but we should have been closer than we were...'"
McClennan was certainly a better coach than Murphy. But it would be wrong to say they competed on an even playing field. McClennan had the better squad.
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| Quote: St pete "We had runners and moved the ball around like a team that had been coachesd this week.'"
You have a short memory. We played like that against Wigan in the first playoff game last season, and indeed in the Good Friday game against Wigan last season, and in fact against Leeds away last season when we turned our 2011 season round with the introduction of Lomax and Gaskell.
What we saw tonight was (a) James Roby back (meaning Lance could play at halfback - and hey, Pete, do you still think he isn't a halfback?), (b) no errors, and (c) pride from our senior players and pack, which is what I've been ranting on about for weeks now. Our attitude changed and as Hohaia rightly said, all that the new coaching regime did was speak about pride in the shirt. I think our senior players were stung into finally playing properly by our new coaching regime following the sacking of our coaching staff. Glad to hear Hohaia say the performance was for Royce as well as the fans. Pity they couldn't have done it last week instead.
The test will be if they can back it up against Warrington now that a video will be available. Warrington also have a lot better defence than Leeds came up with tonight.
But whatever. It was great to get a win and finally be able to celebrate a good performance at Langtree Park.
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| Quote: St pete "The defence looked much more organised and we was looking to really knock them down and not just pussy foot around.
We had runners and moved the ball around like a team that had been coachesd this week.'"
That win had little to do with brilliant coaching and revolutionary new tactics magically appearing into a vacuum over the last week which is no doubt what the kneejerk brigade will be proclaiming on here for the rest of the week. All that happened is that the players, finally relieved of whatever back-monkeys they were suffering from from the previous coaching incumbents, just went out and executed for the first time this season. There's little they did tonight that they would probably not have done under Royce without the baggage going on.
The adrenaline and natural performace boost against Wire and the Pies will likely carry them on to decent results in the next 2 games, but the real challenge will come once the regular season grind starts back in earnest after that. We'll really only see the mettle of the new guys, what they bring to the team coaching/tactics-wise and how capable of maximizing our chances come the big end of season games they are come the slog against Salford, Wakefield, London and the rest.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "You have a short memory. We played like that against Wigan in the first playoff game last season, and indeed in the Good Friday game against Wigan last season, and in fact against Leeds away last season when we turned our 2011 season round with the introduction of Lomax and Gaskell.
What we saw tonight was (a) James Roby back (meaning Lance could play at halfback - and hey, Pete, do you still think he isn't a halfback?), (b) no errors, and (c) pride from our senior players and pack, which is what I've been ranting on about for weeks now. Our attitude changed and as Hohaia rightly said, all that the new coaching regime did was speak about pride in the shirt. I think our senior players were stung into finally playing properly by our new coaching regime following the sacking of our coaching staff. Glad to hear Hohaia say the performance was for Royce as well as the fans. Pity they couldn't have done it last week instead.
The test will be if they can back it up against Warrington now that a video will be available. Warrington also have a lot better defence than Leeds came up with tonight.
But whatever. It was great to get a win and finally be able to celebrate a good performance at Langtree Park.'"
Lance was outstanding last night, great kicking game, Played with his head up and didn't look like he got out of 3rd gear. He played the role we've been in dire need of.
It's only one game tho, even Jon wilkin played good at 6 against Leeds once and then was gash the following week.
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| Anyone who believes Simmons wasn't the issue is delusional at best. If Royce was still in charge, we'd have never played like that, no.way on earth. We'd have had Lomax and Gaskell in the halves, Makinson on the wing, Meli in the centres, Wheeler in the 20s, TP at prop, Wilkin at Second Row, Clough at Loose, and the final piece - Hohaia on the bench, with no size in the other three subs.
I don't think kc and rush have coached the team to play that way, I just think they've removed the over cautious tactics of Simmons. I don't think we'd see so many offloads all year as tonight, and not once the "lomax, gaskell, wellens" move, which was so obvious, and desperately showed wello's pace up!
Somebody said our only tactic of five drives and see how far gaskell can hoof it was all we had.
Anyone criticising the decisions to remove Royce has gone strangely quiet. One swallow doesn't make a summer, but I'm 100% sure, we'd have never played like that tonight under Simmons
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| Quote: paulscunthorpe "Anyone who believes Simmons wasn't the issue is delusional at best. If Royce was still in charge, we'd have never played like that, no.way on earth. We'd have had Lomax and Gaskell in the halves, Makinson on the wing, Meli in the centres, Wheeler in the 20s, TP at prop, Wilkin at Second Row, Clough at Loose, and the final piece - Hohaia on the bench, with no size in the other three subs.
I don't think kc and rush have coached the team to play that way, I just think they've removed the over cautious tactics of Simmons. I don't think we'd see so many offloads all year as tonight, and not once the "lomax, gaskell, wellens" move, which was so obvious, and desperately showed wello's pace up!
Somebody said our only tactic of five drives and see how far gaskell can hoof it was all we had.
Anyone criticising the decisions to remove Royce has gone strangely quiet. One swallow doesn't make a summer, but I'm 100% sure, we'd have never played like that tonight under Simmons'"
Great Post well said Sir, spot on
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