I wasn't having a go at his defence.

I definitely see where you're coming from on this. Look how much of a difference Sam Tomkins has made to Wigan playing in that position.

We did exactly the same thing with Veivers where we stuck with him for too long at full back. It wasn't until David Lyon (the real one) joined us that we moved forward in that area. Break the bank for Billy Slater next year!

Or Jarrod Hayne.

I think the issue with Wello would be what we'd do with him if he wasnt in the team at FB .. he's not as versatile as Vievers was imo and in the age of the Salary cap for me if he isnt good enough to be first choice we should doing what Salford did with Alker and either be moving him onto the staff or letting him go ...

The problem with Wellens is as soon as the kick goes behind him, he's very ineffective. By the time he has retrieved the ball, the chase isn't far away, and the chase need only be 2 defenders because Wello doesn't have the pace to get around them. This means we're starting every set 10-15 metres further back than our opposition.

jamie b grow a pair and get behind your team if been there when wire were getting battered and wigan fans stayed loyal and still turned out when they were struggling get behind the team and stop moaning

Quiet ? They never got a bloody pass thats why ! One man barge and no halfback.

I am behind the team, just moaning about the way we've played, iv been watching Saints on the end of some bad defeats but against Warrington was terrible but I still think we will improve so I think you will find that I'm
fully behind the Saints as have been for years just stating hat it was a very bad performance and hope we can improve from it

Then say that, don't start claiming that after 3 games into the season that we aren't going to be in the hunt, as past seasons have proved nothing is won or lost in the first few weeks of the season.

I honestly despair at some of our fans at times.

Everyone seems to be forget we got slammed by Hull start of last season and guess what? Grand Final.

I think we all need to get a grip.

ha what a joke 3 games gone and people writing us off get behind the team instead of slagging off i will be there every game home and away cmon the saints prove these doubters wrong

Wello was probably your best player on the night, without him it would have been a cricket score, I dont understand this criticism at all. Look to your back line and M.I.A. half back IMHO.

BTW how far is it to the Stobart from St Helens town centre anyhow?

Two games better than last year!

Between 7 & 9 miles. But then that's not really the issue is it.