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| that was a poor effort from graham, turning his back on the defence.
i also thought wilkin had a very poor 2nd half, why did he put that kick up when you were camped on leeds try line with afew more tackles left???
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| I am a big fan of James Graham, and I'm not being inflammatory, but the amount of times he doesn't even hit the line and instead turns his back and passes probably means he can give far, far more minutes as a prop. If he did the amount of grind of someone like Peacock, then he would obviously be spelled more often.
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| graham cost a couple of times trying to play as a half back in stead of doing he should be doing.
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| Quote: RescuedBlue "I am a big fan of James Graham, and I'm not being inflammatory, but the amount of times he doesn't even hit the line and instead turns his back and passes probably means he can give far, far more minutes as a prop. If he did the amount of grind of someone like Peacock, then he would obviously be spelled more often.'"
What? He makes the same metres as Peacock in almost every game he plays. What are you talking about?
Peacock averages 21 carries per game
Graham averages 22 carries per game
Peacock averages 156 metres per game
Graham averages 151 metres per game
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| Quote: Saddened! "What? He makes the same metres as Peacock in almost every game he plays. What are you talking about?
Peacock averages 21 carries per game
Graham averages 22 carries per game
Peacock averages 156 metres per game
Graham averages 151 metres per game'"
You don't agree that Graham tends to spend a lot of his time on the ball just acting as an extra half back shifting it on?
I like your stats though. I like stats. Go look some up on Francis Cummins and Andy Hay. They tell the full story, no really.
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| Quote: Saddened! "No, they've not been scrapping again, but does anyone think Potter's rotation or not of Jammer cost us that game?
We were up by two scores and the two tries that brought Leeds back into it were 100% Graham's fault. Simply because he was exhausted and found getting back the 10 too much. He should have gone off, Emmit or Clough or Tony P would have made those tackles.
I can't remember Jammer going off at all. Very brave but when he's such an obvious target in the defense and can barely move and is making mistakes in attack why keep him on?'"
You can't pin this loss on potter!
Maybe the fact jammer was tottaly out on his feet and run back into the line with his back to Leeds cost us the game!
I've played rugby since I was 8yrs old(30yrs old now) and one of the basics is not to turn your back on the attacking team!
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| Quote: St pete "You can't pin this loss on potter!
Maybe the fact jammer was tottaly out on his feet and run back into the line with his back to Leeds cost us the game!
I've played rugby since I was 8yrs old(30yrs old now) and one of the basics is not to turn your back on the attacking team!'"
i agree with that mate, basic error, but why wasnt he spelled more?
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| Quote: Saint Simon "i agree with that mate, basic error, but why wasnt he spelled more?'"
No matter how tired, you don't turn your back on the attacking team, not just graham the whole team in the 2nd half.
We wasn't putting them on the ground or stopping the ball which put Leeds on front foot and they are way to fast for us all over the park.
Should he have been rested more? Isn't this superman, the best prop in the world, the 80 min machine! It was his fault he turned his back, not Potters!
IMO and I'm prob being a little harsh, but graham looked rattled to me, he wasn't the graham we know. He didn't want to take the ball up and tried to play like a stand off, he passed more than he took it in.
We've all praised him when he's played well, so only fair we call him when he plays bad, he ain't untouchable.
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| Quote: St pete "No matter how tired, you don't turn your back on the attacking team, not just graham the whole team in the 2nd half.
We wasn't putting them on the ground or stopping the ball which put Leeds on front foot and they are way to fast for us all over the park.
Should he have been rested more? Isn't this superman, the best prop in the world, the 80 min machine! It was his fault he turned his back, not Potters!
IMO and I'm prob being a little harsh, but graham looked rattled to me, he wasn't the graham we know. He didn't want to take the ball up and tried to play like a stand off, he passed more than he took it in.
We've all praised him when he's played well, so only fair we call him when he plays bad, he ain't untouchable.'"
cant argue with any of that, not his best game by some way
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| Quote: Saint Simon "cant argue with any of that, not his best game by some way'"
Like I said, it's prob being little harsh as he's been a one man team at times, but if he takes all the praise he should take the stick when he plays poor.
Just imagine if it was meli who turned his back on Leeds and cost us a important try!
Leeds was fast today, not seen them play at that pace all year, danny maguire was best player on the pitch by a long was, he looked liked the player of few years ago.
The turning points IMO was wilkin knocking on in the first set in 2nd half which Leeds scored off, graham turning his back on Leeds which cost us a try and wilkin kicking in our last attack on Leeds line.
I thought foster was awesome today, he's got a very cool head on young shoulders and scot Moore put himself about and shown a lot of heart.
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| the lads gave everything they had, thats good enough for me, no one is to blame, and I don't think anyone was to blame for our loss, just that a moment of brilliance from Buderus won the game for Leeds in the end.
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| Quote: St pete "Just imagine if it was meli who turned his back on Leeds and cost us a important try! '"
Meli gave the ball away at least twice and cost us two penalties. But this loss wasn't down to any individual player. We just weren't good enough.
Quote: St pete "I thought foster was awesome today'"
With the exception of his error which gave Leeds a walk in try, he was fantastic. Did you see his ball and all tackles on Senior? Whoever thinks he shouldn't play because he is skinny is talking out of their bottom. He has guile, guts and grit does that lad and I think he will go far. To think, he only had his debut this season.
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| Quote: RescuedBlue "I am a big fan of James Graham, and I'm not being inflammatory, but the amount of times he doesn't even hit the line and instead turns his back and passes probably means he can give far, far more minutes as a prop. If he did the amount of grind of someone like Peacock, then he would obviously be spelled more often.'"
For today's game I defo agree with what your saying, he didn't do the hard yards he's done over recent years as he passed far to often, so should not been as tired, anyway people want to dress it, you don't turn your back on the other team!
If my 10yr old would have turned his back on the attacking team like graham did today, I'd give him a bollocking!
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| The turning point in the game for me is when Meli was running across the Leeds defence and threw an awful pass,after that we was never really in the game.
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| Quote: cjhatesunion "The turning point in the game for me is when Meli was running across the Leeds defence and threw an awful pass,after that we was never really in the game.'"
Utter rubbish, meli is a easy target again!
The turning points was dropping the ball in the first set of 2nd half after going in on high at halftime. We knew Leeds would come out on fire, it was important we put that fire out in first ten mins of 2nd half but they scored after 2 mins from our drop ball!
Another turning point was graham turning his back on the Leeds attack that cost us a try.
Then to top it off, with 4 mins to go we are on Leeds line and wilkin kicks on 3rd tackle, that was our last chance and if we'd scored we'd of been going wembley.
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