We've certainly had the biggest range of measurement. From -5 Saddeneds pre Easter to probably 3 or 4 last week.

I do include myself in that. Although I'd put my self going from -4 to 2.

Saddened has been missing of late so is Saints currently measured at "zero saddened" units.

He appears to dip in and out of both roles. I've kind of stuck him in a 'ball playing second row' position coz frankly I can't figure out what the heck he's doing most times, except when he's trying to boss the play and getting in Walsh's way!

IMO Wilkin has been the best and most consistent player for the last couple of seasons. I don't like him as a person but that's for a good reason.
I think a lot of Saints fans dislike him for his t.v. work which they seem to think takes preference over his playing.

He's had one good season since 2007. The 5 year deal we gave him was shocking! He's just not adapted to the modern game in size, power of strength.

I'd get get shut if poss.

I think Wilkin has suffered at times with the way the game has changed and evolved over the years. When he first came into the side I thought of him as a 13 with a decent pair of hands, bit of a running game, and you can never really fault him for effort. As most people will know though, teams generally use their 13's as a third prop through the middle and are primarily judged on their go forward and metres made. Anything else is a bonus, so it seems.

I think he's shown some nice touches this season down that left side. He started the season in great form IMO, but on the back of the likes of Amor and Walsmley. I actually think he looks really good when we are winning the ruck because he has a decent pair of hands and can distribute, but in those tight games he does tend to struggle because he just isn't big enough to really impose himself on the game in the back-row with the ball in his hand. There really isn't a great deal he can do about that.

Had he been gifted with a bit more pace I doubt he would have stepped foot anywhere near a forward pack. Had he been born 15 years earlier he may have been given the loose forward role and have had the opportunity to express himself a little bit more. He's adapted his game a little bit this season and I believe that the club are pleased with his contribution and Brown's interview today confirms that.

There are plenty out there in a similar position to him. Lack the speed or are too big to play in the halves, not quite big enough to play in the pack but are decent footballer's. What happens to them? They become workhorses who are almost stuck between those two positions, not really through any fault of their own.

I think we're bringing the best out of him though using him as a left sided back-rower. He runs some great lines and offers some distribution down the left hand side. I thought he was very good against Huddersfield on Friday. He does his best and has done his best to make the most out of what he has.

I think Tez the Saint analysis is more accurate than St Petes opinion on Wilkin.

It may be a coincidence I don,t know but Wilkin gradually started his play making role around 2007/2008 when we lost influential half backs. Prior to that he had more size and was more of a running back row forward.

He has had to adapt to the new utility role due to our lack of signing the right players for the right job, this when Wilkin becomes inconsistent in the role attracts crtitism more so than perhaps other players.

I'd would argue that wilkin is a bad player, I wouldn't argue with those who think he's a really good player, I just think that there are a number of things missing from Saints team (if we want to win trophies) and Wilkin seems to sum a lot of these points - mainly being undersized and too nice.

How do we think Hudds will go against Wigan tonight?

Another loss, to then be followed up by another Loss against Leeds.

Can't see them pulling anything out the bag. They will get a bounce against London, but as we found out that does not help against other teams.

I can see them dropping to 8th this year.

They've beaten them once already this season and so, like us with Warrington, I think a lot will depend on the attitude they take into the game and whether they have tightened up their ruck defence, which is probably what got them against us. If they decide to bend their backs then they could beat Wigan. If they don't, they won't.

Roby?

Don't start Rogue's on that one. Roby's "just a scooter" to him.

I've never said he was JUST a scooter hooker, but he does do it more than any other. It's not my type of rugby and I've been saying that consistently for years, especially when Higham was at Wigan. It was no coincidence that we started scoring more tries when he left.

Sure, look I can see why you prefer the more creative type to just a scooter - as MM's 1 try and 0 assists this year makes an underperforming Roby's 4 tries and 11 assists look positively pedestrian.

And MM's legendary defence leaves Robes in the shade too, what with MM makng half as many tackles but missing 4 times more of them than Roby.

Oh for a change at hooker at Saints